What would you put this guy on? |
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Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:51 pm GMT by Biowza
PokerStars Game #5377353619: Tournament #26991536, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/06/26 - 22:41:33 (ET)
Table '26991536 825' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: webb10king1 (1890 in chips)
Seat 2: hoosier x (13487 in chips)
Seat 3: Zekelf (1440 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: Smakdy (7058 in chips)
Seat 5: broker5400 (150 in chips)
Seat 6: Wombo (7415 in chips)
Seat 7: TavinsDad (1395 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: craigt2910 (1770 in chips)
Seat 9: AcornKarma (3000 in chips)
AcornKarma: posts small blind 15
webb10king1: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wombo  
hoosier x: calls 30
Zekelf: folds
Smakdy: calls 30
broker5400: calls 30
Wombo: raises 320 to 350
TavinsDad: folds
TavinsDad has returned
craigt2910: folds
AcornKarma: folds
webb10king1: folds
hoosier x: calls 320
Smakdy: folds
broker5400: folds
*** FLOP ***   
hoosier x: checks
Wombo: checks
*** TURN *** 
hoosier x: checks
Wombo: checks
*** RIVER *** 
hoosier x: bets 13137 and is all-in
Wombo: folds
hoosier x collected 805 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 805 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: webb10king1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: hoosier x collected (805)
Seat 3: Zekelf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Smakdy folded before Flop
Seat 5: broker5400 folded before Flop
Seat 6: Wombo folded on the River
Seat 7: TavinsDad folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: craigt2910 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: AcornKarma (small blind) folded before Flop
yeah i was a bit confused about this one, this guy has the biggest stack on our table. Considering he called my initial raise i would of put him on at least an ace (AK?, AQ?)
But i do think i could of played that a bit better, possibly a larger raise pre-flop or even taking a few stabs at the pot seeing if he re-raises me maybe.
Thoughts?
*NOTE this is early stages of a freeroll*
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Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:53 pm GMT by Cricket_Fire
| Quote: | | *NOTE this is early stages of a freeroll* |
He could have 23os 
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:54 pm GMT by Biowza
lol i was thinking that for a while but i really didnt want to risk my chips when there was a fairly decent chance that he had the ace 
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:09 pm GMT by zinn0
I don't think folding here was bad. A bet somewhere, no later than the turn would have been an ok play. I think the preflop raise is a little much though. 10xBB? I realize this is a freeroll, but still...
Overall? I've seen worse.
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:18 pm GMT by greathuskie
| zinn0 wrote: | I don't think folding here was bad. A bet somewhere, no later than the turn would have been an ok play. I think the preflop raise is a little much though. 10xBB? I realize this is a freeroll, but still...
Overall? I've seen worse. |
you HAVE to raise this much in teh first levels of a tournament to get people to fold. if he raises to 80 chips, hell get 5 callers.
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:18 pm GMT by Biowza
yeah i guess it was a bit much, i was thinking, these guys have been going all in with hands like J  6  and if i make a big enough raise might prompt them to go all in.
but yeah  possibly a smaller raise
EDIT- Just doubled up off that guy, turns out he probably had the ace, i think i worked out his style...
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:26 pm GMT by zinn0
| greathuskie wrote: | | you HAVE to raise this much in teh first levels of a tournament to get people to fold. if he raises to 80 chips, hell get 5 callers. |
maybe in a freeroll. I've never really played one and taken it seriously so I don't know. As for real $ tourneys, a raise of 3-5xBB is fine.
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:52 pm GMT by greathuskie
| zinn0 wrote: | | greathuskie wrote: | | you HAVE to raise this much in teh first levels of a tournament to get people to fold. if he raises to 80 chips, hell get 5 callers. |
maybe in a freeroll. I've never really played one and taken it seriously so I don't know. As for real $ tourneys, a raise of 3-5xBB is fine. |
at 15/30 blinds, a raise to 90 doesnt bet ANYONE out of the pot. if they intended on limping, they will call an extra 60 chips to see the pot. this is for all tournaments 20 dollars and under.
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:00 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Well if you're looking for an analysis of this hand, here's what I think.
1. The pre-flop raise is too large. I agree that 3x the BB lets too many in, and this being a freeroll, I'd say about 5-6x the BB is better. The problem with your raise is it discourages weaker hands from calling, and may build a big pot too early in the hand. Notice that you've already put in a lot of chips, so when a bad flop like that one hits, you really hate life.
2. When he checks to you on the turn, you HAVE to bet. If he raises, you're done, but after he checks twice, I think you're obligated to at least stab at it. Notice that if he had had to call a bet and THEN went all-in on the river, I think you'd have a better idea of where you stand, because I think he needs an A or T to call on the turn, but MAYBE a lower PP.
3. I think the river is an easy fold. In a freeroll against bad players, you are bound to find any number of better situations to put in all your chips. Plus, look at the size of that bet. Risk that much on a 800 pot? I don't think so.
Posted Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:43 am GMT by Biowza
thanks for the advice and comments guys
*for those who care, i finished about 180th when my K  Q lost in a race to A Q as you would expect.
all in all im glad with my playing with nearly 10,000 people in the tourney i dont think 180th is too bad
Posted Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:08 am GMT by zinn0
| greathuskie wrote: | | at 15/30 blinds, a raise to 90 doesnt bet ANYONE out of the pot. if they intended on limping, they will call an extra 60 chips to see the pot. this is for all tournaments 20 dollars and under. |
There is a reason why I'm still playing and you're not.
Posted Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:16 am GMT by UrAteUp
Ok I agree with Zinn0 here. A 10xBB raise is crazy even in a freeroll. The only hands that will call you are AX or possibly PP praying for the set or boat. A hand like KK I would raise 4-6xBB. In his position and with his hand I think OP made a good laydown. True the guy could have only had a duece, but he also could have had an A or worse, quads. If you had limited this raise to a 4-6xBB bet then you could have easily conserved some chips and got away from this hand cheaper.
just my input...
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