Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:05 am GMT by Jauron
In both cases, 6 man SNG top 2 get paid down to 3 players:
#1
Chip leader has 6k- Button
I have 2550 - BB
Small Stack has 450- SB
Blinds are 50/100
Button limps, shorty folds, I have 99 in the BB, I raise to 500, Button moves in.
Button had been playing very aggresive since he got the big chip lead. Do you lay this down knowing the short stack has to make a move soon or is this too big a hand to lay down 3 handed?
#2
Big stack has ~4k
Other Stack has ~3500
I have 1500
Blinds are 75/150
Big stack folds on the button, in the SB I have 77 I make it 450, BB moves all in.
In this case I am the short stack, I've just put 1/3 of my of chips chips in the pot. BB has been making very strong moves, seems to prefer moving in rather than seeing flops. I did consider moving in instead of rasing, but it was close, I felt I had enough chips to just raise.
Curious what everyone thinks. I should also mention these are two completly different SNG's just similair being one off the money and facing an all in bet from a player who has me covered.
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Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:13 am GMT by Jefecaminador
I think you're ahead in the first hand, so i'd call. Its a good chance to take the lead and play for the win. If you fold you're basically telling the big stack that you arent playing unitl the short stack is out. And if shorty gets lucky and doubles up, then you're in a really tough spot.
Second hand, I'd also call, 7's may be your best chance to catch up, and there are so many hands that he'd reraise you with that you cant assume you're up against an overpair.
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Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:54 am GMT by kingetje
I'd fold the first hand, and call the second hand
in the first hand you really dont want to bust out in a probable coinflip against two overcards when the shortstack only has 3 blinds left....
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:31 am GMT by crack
I think I would fold hand 1.
Reason being, you don't need to risk an OTM finish here. The small stack is going to bust soon or get doubled up and go on to win it, or something. I think you are best getting ITM then outplaying your opponent.
Chances are you have him beat now, but with 5 cards to come I don't see the reason to risk it right now.
Hand 2 I would call. Ok so you are probably a 50/50, but as you said it';s 3 handed and you are the SS, you need that double up to put pressure on the other 2.
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:36 am GMT by UrAteUp
I think either one of these is a coin flip situation at best. Personally I would make the call with 99 and pray nothing good hits the flop for him.
The way I like to handle chipleading bullies, if I am first to act then I just call. I won't raise till I see what chip leader is doing. If he raises then over the top of him I go. This has worked great for me in SNGs. It really throws them off balance and usually makes them lighten up and stop pushing so much....  ...specially when they aren't sure if I have a hand or not.
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:10 am GMT by zinn0
Hand 1: Fold. No sense getting into what is probably a race at best when you have a SS on life support.
Hand 2: Call. Being the SS, it's time to make a move. 77 is a good hand to do it with.
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:10 am GMT by suitedaces84
How much is first worth? How much is second worth?
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:22 am GMT by Jauron
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | How much is first worth? How much is second worth? |
Interesting question and one I had orginally put in the post, then removed.
First gets 70%, second 30%. It takes a little less than 20% to break even with the buy-in.
So the real money is in first (isn't it always?) but I wondered how badly this info would skew the answers.
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:00 am GMT by Phil14312
I probably fold the first hand, I mean, even when we have the best hand, its probably a coinflip far more times that we like. And winning this pot certainly doesn't give us enough chips to guarantee a win. I fold.
Second hand I call, you have to double up somewhere, and 77 here is a good spot.
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:08 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
Had the big stack been bullying you guys around previously? I guess I would point out that if you werent ready to play for all your chips with the 99 you probably shouldnt of raised in the first place, just take a flop next time and if its favorable for you, then go with it. The key to your decision is how the big stack had been playing, if hes been over agressive go with it. If hes been rather timid I guess you could get away with the hand. I just don't like moving in 20% of your stack preflop then backing down to an all in.
So my advice would be, if you arent willing to go to war with the 99's dont raise preflop.
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:08 pm GMT by TheSalche
Fold the first hand and don't think twice about it ... remember than move when YOU have the big chiplead.
Call the second hand, you can almost make a case for just pushing preflop because you don't want the BB to see a "cheap" flop with something like Q10 - AJ, etc
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:56 pm GMT by golddog
Doesn't anyone like pushing preflop in hand #2? I don't think you necessarily want action from the bigger stack, but you should force him/her to decide. If you get it, fine, you either double up, or bust.
Is the play really push/fold here?
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:09 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I myself like the push with either hand to be honest. It makes it very hard for the other players to know exactly what you have and if it is wise to call you or not. But I am one who does gamble a little more then I should at the poker table... 
Posted Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:21 am GMT by cooler 32
Definitely fold the first hand. Why risk bubbling out when the shortstack is barely there. Getting in the money will probably payout twice your buyin or close in a 6 man right? Second hand sort of depends on your read. What has the guy shown down? Has he been pushing over the top in previous hands? If you put him on AK, AQ or that type of hand you have to call. If he's super tight, there may be a slight argument for folding. I'd probably call being the shortstack anyway.
Posted Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:30 pm GMT by Fat Tony
1. Definite fold.
2. Call.
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