Posted Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:48 pm GMT by greathuskie
i was watching some poker show, and after raking in a big pot a guy was UTG with pocket jacks, and just kicked em in. thought this was odd that he didnt atleast want to see a flop, but being UTG with jacks after winning a huge pot would kind of suck, everyone would think you are stealing.
any comments?
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Posted Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:03 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Must give more details, my friend. Stack sizes, blinds, players at table etc..
Posted Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:07 pm GMT by greathuskie
this was on tv man i have no idea 
it was on WPC 2005 i think, and like i said the guy just won a huge pot.
you dont need details to know if this is right or not to do, just in theory is folding JJ UTG a good idea or not.
Posted Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:07 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Sorry man, I must disagree. The info specified above is practically ALL that matters.
Posted Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:26 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
While that info is helpful for deciding whether to limp in or raise, I think Jacks are ALWAYS playable from first position, at least for a call.
Posted Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:56 am GMT by Poto
I really can't think of a situation where it's a good idea to fold Jacks from under the gun. Unless it's an extreme situation in a satellite or something like that.
Posted Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:53 am GMT by lwestatbus
Saw a great quote a couple of years ago: "Jacks: Can't win with 'em, can't win against 'em, can't fold 'em." Maybe this guy heard the quote as well and decided to get out while the getting was good.
Playing limit ring and getting my butt handed to me. Dealt pocket kings, flop comes KJx. Turn another jack. River a blank. By turn me and one other person are capping each other. You'll never guess what he had. Or maybe you will. Hint: It was the only hand that could beat me.
Posted Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:12 am GMT by groton
pocket johny's :>
Posted Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:13 am GMT by UrAteUp
I will never throw away pockets Js unless it is costing me my whole buy-in pre-flop. Hell I can't lay down any pocket pair pre-flop unless it will cost my entire buy-in. I have been known to take a small or mid pp against a 5xBB raise to a pot just to see if I can hit my set or not...  . Same with pocket Jacks. I will enter into a pot and see if I can hit my set and cause some serious damage to a bankroll of the other players... If I see I can't or there is a better set or hand out there then I will just lay them down and move on to the next hand.
Posted Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:44 pm GMT by kainARGH
jacks are too quality a hand to give up - ever imo ( pre flop utg ). Obviously at times you can throw it away - but not even limping to take a flop is just bad imo.
either limp with intentions of re-raising or taking a flop to hit a set or fold depending on texture, or just open up like you would any other good hand. with JJ early ill usually not go 3x bb - a little more.
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Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:12 am GMT by shorn7
I can't see ever folding JJ UTG as first in. But, I do consider it a limping hand more than a raising hand. It's real value is in flopping a set against a raiser who holds AA-QQ.
Now, if I limp and it is raised and re-raised behind me, unless the stacks are really deep relative to what I have to call, the Johnny's go in the muck. They just aren't profitable to play in that circumstance. So I disagree with the others here who say they won't fold them unless it is for thie whole buy-in. That makes no sense at all.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:37 pm GMT by lwestatbus
Another update on my pocket jacks saga. I had Pocket tens UTG last night (low limit ring). I Raised, next player reraised, three callers(!!!) and button reraises again to cap. Well, it's a dollar more to me but 8:1 on my money just with money in the pot so I call. Everyone else in the pot calls.
Flop is x-x-10 rainbow and no serious straight potential. Whooeee. I check, next guy bets, button raises, I call, reraised, capped, losing everyone else along the way. (Just three of us left.) Turn is another blank with four suits on the board. Betting capped again with me just calling.
River is a Jack. You'll never guess what next guy had. Hint, same thing the guy had in my earlier post in this thread--the only hand that could beat me. Button had AA.
Should I have been more aggressive post flop? Both raising players had pocket overpairs to the board (which I strongly and correctly suspected at the time). Both had pot odds to call down (both played badly by raising/reraising flop/turn) and I don't think I'd have driven them out of the hand. I'd have signaled a strong hand by raising flop/turn and I'm sure they'd have put me on a set (maybe--all three of us had raised preflop), but I don't think I'd have driven them out.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:02 pm GMT by Icec0o1
Nope, you played it well...that's limit poker for you though.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:32 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
To tell you the truth, I probably fold that flop with JJ. You had to call preflop for implied odds on a set, but it's so obvious to me you're way behind on a board like that, and you're faced with the prospect of calling two bets now, maybe two more bets (in case of a reraise), and mutliple bets on the turn if you miss your two outter.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:41 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Can't say I can think of many situations where I'd fold JJ UTG.
Well, maybe except for the good ol' 'satelite' examples, but I don't play many tourneys.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:52 pm GMT by shorn7
You played it fine. It got capped without u doing anything...a complete dream. Yeah, u got screwed on the river, but you were a 9-1 favorite over them combined, so not much you can do. Sometimes, it is a bad day.
If it makes u feel any better, I lost a $2k pot yesterday when I had AA and got it all in preflop versus KK. I flopped top set only to see him hit runner runner 4 flush to beat me. Good times...
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:17 pm GMT by zinn0
Nobody has said it yet. I might as well...
Sklansky $$$, ftw.
Do you see why?
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:08 pm GMT by Johny
I raise with JJ utg almost everytime. I can't think of a reason not to.
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