Posted Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:03 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
Some NL50 dabbling, 11th hand in, no reads.
Hero as A  Q on the button. UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, MP and LP limp, hero makes it 2.00 to go. BB calls, early limpers call, late limpers fold, which seems backwards but that's how it went. Pot ~10.
Flop 5  9  Q . BB leads for 2, first limper calls, second limper folds, hero raises 8 more to 10 total. BB folds, first limper then pushes. He has you covered, you've got about 40 behind. Hero?
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Posted Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:08 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I think villain has a set.
Limped UTG so maybe 55? The all in is justifiable becuase of the potential 4 flush on board. Anywho, I say fold. Not a whole lot you are ahead of at the moment.
Posted Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:58 pm GMT by crack
i would fold, you have no reads that you have mentioned so assuming standard player.
A call then he pushes, he thinks he is getting paid off by you. I don't think your TPTK is good enough in this spot to call.
Posted Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:50 pm GMT by supafrey
Impossible to determine the correct course of action here.
It's about 50/50 whether you're winning. Good luck!
Posted Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:13 pm GMT by mrcfkane
seems like a standard set or 2 pair play.......although at this level ive seen this play with tplk.
either way you need a read to think of a call here.
Posted Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:49 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| mrcfkane wrote: | seems like a standard set or 2 pair play.......although at this level ive seen this play with tplk.
either way you need a read to think of a call here. |
This level of play is somewhat high, it would be a different hand entirely at a 10NL table or lower.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:22 am GMT by shorn7
Fold. Limp re-raise is a set or two pair play and not a draw. Unless he has JT of spades, you are laready behind and drawing thin (and not a fav. against JTs either).
In NL, don't commit to much money to 1 pair hands when someone is showing strength (even overpairs). Long term, if you call this bet routinely, you will lose a ton of $$. Let the other players be the one's to make this call when you hold the set.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:39 am GMT by UrAteUp
I know I would fold here but I do not think villian has a set or two pair. I saay flush dreaw and witrh the four flush and two cards to come figures if he pushes you'll lay it down.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:26 pm GMT by TxShadow
Smells like a set 50% or more of the time to me. I'd lay it down here, especially without any reads.
Very similar to a live hand I posted here:
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t17760/shreveport-results-kinda-long
It's hand #2 (and btw, if some more people would like to respond to that post please feel free :x )
The only real difference is that in my hand, the guy with the set came out betting close to a potsized bet immediately with the 2-flushed board. The guy in your case my realize that it's a small pot now and either wants to make it bigger and then fire at a non-spade turn or hope that someone raises on the flop and is able to push there (as he did in your hand).
So yeah, unless the guy really sucks (which again, you have no reads to indicate this), I don't think your TPTK is good.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:15 pm GMT by mrcfkane
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | mrcfkane wrote: | seems like a standard set or 2 pair play.......although at this level ive seen this play with tplk.
either way you need a read to think of a call here. |
This level of play is somewhat high, it would be a different hand entirely at a 10NL table or lower. |
i know it is b/c when i play ring games i play at that level...but this doesnt rule out the possibilty that he is a maniac. you see strange things at almost all levels of poker. hero screams kq or aq, if villian thinks he can get hero to fold with a weaker kicker then y not try to take the pot. plus, plays like this happen to me early a lot b/c i try to dominate games right away.
regardless, it doesn't seem like you are being bluffed out here since villian doesn't know much about you either. hero has no reads so he'll have to assume villian holds what it looks like. i think the 3 most probable hands in order are 2pair, set and str8-n-flush draw . this is a fold.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:07 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| supafrey wrote: | Impossible to determine the correct course of action here.
It's about 50/50 whether you're winning. Good luck! |
Yup. Although it depends on the image you're going for. If you have some more buy-ins to risk, I might call here and look like the type of guy who likes to give action. If you want to look conservative, go for the fold option.
Early on, I think I'd lean toward folding until I have a better feel for the players.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:00 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
Hero called, turn and river were blanks, villain mucked 5 6 and hero wins the coinflip. I hate when Supa's right.
Oh, and I was villain, hoping for a fold but not crushed if he called. I figured he had AQ at WORST, given the big flop reraise, then AA, then KK, with the outside shot of QQ. Against AQ I'm slightly ahead, AA and KK it's a coinflip. That, coupled with the fact that he may lay down AQ, and if he's really tight maybe KK or AA, led to my push. I could've just as easily peeled one off, as I was getting about 2.5 to 1, but I figured this hand might be good for the image as well. I had to leave 20 hands later though, so that was a wash.
Posted Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:42 pm GMT by ScanX
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | mrcfkane wrote: | seems like a standard set or 2 pair play.......although at this level ive seen this play with tplk.
either way you need a read to think of a call here. |
This level of play is somewhat high, it would be a different hand entirely at a 10NL table or lower. |
this level is anything but high tbh.
you can see that kind of move 10 times within 350 hands maybe
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:41 am GMT by UrAteUp
hahaha...did I nail it or what? I said to me it looked like villian could have a flush draw and push hoping to hit the last of his suit...damn I am just too good some time....(pats self on the back)...  .
Posted Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:47 am GMT by MrDarling
Yeah, the smallish raise on the flop read flush draw to me as well.
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