Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:53 am GMT by Miss_J
Have you even been so irritated with a players personality and their style of play that you just cannot stand to play with them? The person in question plays really badly, (which i know this is a totally welcome and good quality to have in your opponents) but she hits hits all her crap. i'm serious, she will make a hand out of every piece of shit that she plays. after last night i have to quit playing my online league(which is affliliated with my live tournament league btw) because of how frustrated i get. I will play the games where she is not playing, but she manages to have the time to play every friggin day, so i pretty much have to quit. anyone else encounter this? i'm also not the only one in my league who feels the same way.
more than anything i just need to get this off my chest.
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Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:36 am GMT by crack
How do you combat this? Not against the actual player but yourself.
I have never really suffered with an annoying player. Well I have, but I can block it out quite well. I think it's basically because I believe in variance rather than luck.
If this person cracks my aces with 85o then again with T2o I would probably be a bit annoyed at how bad a starting hand she is playing, but its all good in the end.
Give me someone playing shit all day long, I will adapt and just take advantage of their poor hands at showdown and push harder with my decent holdings.
The one thing I wouldn't do is quit because of her. As long as you don't start playing bad because she is in the game and going too far with hands, you will prevail. I would also never scare her off because she seems to get "lucky" all the time and it annoys a few of you. Hey, if fish didn't get lucky once in a while and always lost, they wouldn't come back.
So be patient and try and tune her out and play your normal game and take advantage of her bad play. Either that or scratch her f*cking eyes out. 
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:02 pm GMT by Miss_J
ya you're right it just feels over bearing at the moment. this is just one example of hundreds, but last night we had a show down of A-Qdiamonds(mine) and her A-10off, beleive me, i was very happy 2 see her two cards, before the ten came on the flop of course. seat open! just silly for her to call an all in with A-10 off anyways. slut. lol
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:10 pm GMT by supafrey
what league is this
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:12 pm GMT by crack
Yeah it's a real f*ck when you have your dominated hands beat, especially in tournaments and it knocks you out. I don't know if her play was good or bad, coz I know nothing about your game, the table and anything like that.
What you should take comfort in is this.
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Qd 1233380 72.03 385122 22.49 93802 5.48 0.748
Ac Th 385122 22.49 1233380 72.03 93802 5.48 0.252
Remember, it all evens out in the end!!
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:34 pm GMT by crack
I assume something to do with http://www.pokerrodeo.ca/ ?
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:37 pm GMT by Miss_J
yup, it pokerrodeo.ca, thank god she doesn't live in my city and play the live games, cause i probably would puch her face in. guess who she is on the online leaderboard...
on and dont laugh at my pic. its horrible.
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:57 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Miss_J I understand exactly what your talking about. The live games I play here features a player like this. The only way I could find to deal with it and take this joker out was to wait for a monster hand (AA, KK or AK) push every time. If I am out of position (EP) I just limp in knowing this fool will raise. When they do I push. The look on their face is priceless and even better still when they call and see they have been setup.
As for that picture of you. You think it's bad? If that's a bad one I really really want to see a good one then.... .
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:49 pm GMT by Miss_J
| UrAteUp wrote: | Miss_J I understand exactly what your talking about. The live games I play here features a player like this. The only way I could find to deal with it and take this joker out was to wait for a monster hand (AA, KK or AK) push every time. If I am out of position (EP) I just limp in knowing this fool will raise. When they do I push. The look on their face is priceless and even better still when they call and see they have been setup.
As for that picture of you. You think it's bad? If that's a bad one I really really want to see a good one then.... . |
i did that exactly. i limped with QQ, she raised her 99 i re-raised all in cause i knew she likely wasn't raising with anythin that great, she called my all-in and i crippled her. but that was lucky for me that she didn't catch a set or something, cause that would be totally normal for her to catch a set. i swear this person gets more PP than anyone in the world. no joke, she'll catch a pp almost every second hand, which i know because she shows so many of her hands. once it was 3 handed and she was showing every hand. good info for me and the other person i guess. i did end up winning that one.
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:18 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Just remember, she can't get lucky all the time and capitalizing on her mistakes is going to be the only way you can beat this person. She makes them and it's your job, as it is with any poker player, to find these mistakes and make her pay dearly for them. Keep working on her. I am willing to put skill against luck any day and skill will get paid more often in the long run.
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:23 pm GMT by weirdofreek
| Quote: | | i limped with QQ, she raised her 99 i re-raised all in cause i knew she likely wasn't raising with anythin that great, she called my all-in and i crippled her. |
| Quote: | | i did end up winning that one. |
Is it her personality you don't like? Because it sounds like you got her number when it comes to playing poker.
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:26 pm GMT by Miss_J
| weirdofreek wrote: | | Quote: | | i limped with QQ, she raised her 99 i re-raised all in cause i knew she likely wasn't raising with anythin that great, she called my all-in and i crippled her. |
| Quote: | | i did end up winning that one. |
Is it her personality you don't like? Because it sounds like you got her number when it comes to playing poker. |
yes part of it is her personality which is why it sucks so bad. stupid i know! as far as playing against her, while i have been able to beat her out a few times, it's not enough. she has the same points as me for the month...we are tied for first! how is she doing it??HOW DAMMIT! lol
seriously, one of the best players in our league is also quitting as a result. it's not just me saying she's bad, she IS bad.
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:18 pm GMT by Cricket_Fire
I play with someone like that at my homegame (calls allins with gutshot, and wins :x ). I'm taking some time off from this certain homegame for a while. I've started to take the bets he makes personal, which is totally throwing off the little game I have 
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:25 pm GMT by crack
At least you wear a nice hat!
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:38 pm GMT by Miss_J
| crack wrote: | | At least you wear a nice hat! |
thanks i love it!
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:07 pm GMT by crack
So which one is she in those pictures then?
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:24 pm GMT by Miss_J
she doesn't have a picture up. the ones at the top are our live tournament winners(which she doe not play, she lives in england). the little one at the bottom where i am is for the online tournaments. she has not been point leader yet...but she is "luckyducky" she has the same points as me, and she'll soon surpass me.
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:30 pm GMT by crack
Don't think so negative. I bet you didn't hug the bear.
Posted Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:44 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I think I found a luckbox like this in a live game I recently played in. Basically I was lucky enough to flop middle set on a T J A flop. The flop wasn't very big but we still ended up all in with me doing the last bet.
A bit uncertain but still in quite a good mood I flip up my set.
My opponent smiles from ear to ear (and I have a bad feeling in my stomach, half expecting KQ) and with a very proud voice he flips over and says 'flushdraw!' like it was the stonecold nuts and I look at something along the lines of 94s.
Well he didn't hit, looked at the board with an EXTREMELY puzzled look, rechecked, looked at my cards and then in somewhat of a daze pushed over his chips.
I almost felt guilty, but atleast now I know how they look when the rush runs out.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:40 am GMT by jimmer
| Miss_J wrote: | | Have you even been so irritated with a players personality and their style of play that you just cannot stand to play with them? |
I got a mate who spends the whole time playing this way! Turns out he knows it annoys us up and therefore he feels he has "an edge". Effectively he's right.-As our game changes. I know it shouldn't, but it does.
How do you handle it? I can't help with that, (still try to work it out myself!)
You're not alone, but if you give up, they win. WE can't have this!
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:23 am GMT by supafrey
where have i heard these luckbox comments before...
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:55 am GMT by suitedaces84
Tame,
I hope you cursed and stood up as you would if you were about to get busted. Saying something like "damn, I knew it, I wish I folded" would have been good too.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:59 am GMT by tame_deuces
| suitedaces84 wrote: | Tame,
I hope you cursed and stood up as you would if you were about to get busted. Saying something like "damn, I knew it, I wish I folded" would have been good too. |
Damn, I didn't, but now I wish I had. :D
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:05 pm GMT by Johny
There's a home game that I play at once and a while with a few players like that. They play almost every hand and hit a lot. It's frustrating, but there's not much you can do other than try to get the money in with the best of it.
I think the problem is those kinds of players don't take poker as seriously as we do. They're just playing to have fun.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:21 pm GMT by zinn0
| Johny wrote: | | I think the problem is those kinds of players don't take poker as seriously as we do. They're just playing to have fun. |
hijack
This is an interesting point. I know I have a very hard time 'dumbing down my game' when I'm playing with friends. I always take a very serious approach to it and I get steamed pretty easy at some of the craptacular plays I witness. Of course, a few drinks will help me loosen up a bit and donk it up with the rest of them.
/hijack
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:43 pm GMT by Johny
Everytime I play there I tell myself I'll focus and play great poker. I think that's wrong. I have to learn how to play for fun again.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:44 pm GMT by Miss_J
| Johny wrote: |
I think the problem is those kinds of players don't take poker as seriously as we do. They're just playing to have fun. |
ya this is so true.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:14 pm GMT by draconus
Bad beats are always going to happen but in the long run if you keep playing correctly you will burn this guy or someone with a big hand if they continue to play this way.
The way I try to combat this problem personally is to analyze any hands that I lose like this and only consider my own play. I Break down each bet with what I have and come to a conclusion as to whether or not I played it correctly regardless of whether or not I lost the hand. If I can come to the conclusion that I played it correctly and that in the long run I would win with that decision then I am satisfied and if I not then I have learned something.
So long story short, focus on whether you made the correct play for the situation in the long rather than the outcome of that one hand, because bad beats will always happen even if you play perfect.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:37 pm GMT by cayouche
So... we finally see your picture on there Miss_J. Good job!!
To answer your question, yes, I do hate some players' attitude sometimes. That one guy... say I have AA and I raise, he will certainly call, and say he has 72o, and the flop comes 72x. He seriously thinks that he's a great player, and he made the right call.
Honestly, he's the stupidest player I've known... and I've known a lot of dum-dums before.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:12 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Quote: | The way I try to combat this problem personally is to analyze any hands that I lose like this and only consider my own play. I Break down each bet with what I have and come to a conclusion as to whether or not I played it correctly regardless of whether or not I lost the hand. If I can come to the conclusion that I played it correctly and that in the long run I would win with that decision then I am satisfied and if I not then I have learned something.
|
Semi good advice here but you should always...and I do mean ALWAYS analyze the play of the other player as well as your own, especially if they are someone you play against often or will play again. Learn what there raising requirements are and starting hand requirements as well. Look for things such as do they play positional poker or do they just play the game with any two cards from any seat.
If you notice they play with any two cards then tighten down and only enter pots that your willing to raise with. Stick to playing positional poker and make them pay for mistakes. The larger the mistake the more they should and often are forced to pay.
I do agree with looking at your own play. Make sure your raising enough to keep this type of player out with marginal hands that can turn into winners. Make sure your catching any betting patterns you might be giving off. This is one of the biggest internet flaws there is and if your opponent can find it they can hurt you dearly.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:58 pm GMT by supafrey
your advice is scary sometimes, uate.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:14 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| supafrey wrote: | | your advice is scary sometimes, uate. |
Why?...
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:32 am GMT by PhotoReady
| crack wrote: | Yeah it's a real f*ck when you have your dominated hands beat, especially in tournaments and it knocks you out. I don't know if her play was good or bad, coz I know nothing about your game, the table and anything like that.
What you should take comfort in is this.
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Qd 1233380 72.03 385122 22.49 93802 5.48 0.748
Ac Th 385122 22.49 1233380 72.03 93802 5.48 0.252
Remember, it all evens out in the end!!
Image removed |
Crack,
You are breaking copyright law by using the teddybear image from burl removed/url without permission. The site and all images are copyright Crocus Information Ltd, trading as PhotoReady.co.uk, registered in England.
For this violation and use to date, please email me for details on how to pay the £30 fee. I must stress that this fee is for use so far on this message board topic.
If you would like to continue to use the image, the fee will be a further £50 per year for use on this or any other topic on this message board.
Non-payment of the fee will result in legal action.
Mark Ridley, Director.
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:37 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Well, that was my official "WTF" for the night...
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:57 am GMT by MrDarling
mods , I suggest swift action and removing both posts regarding that pic(even if it is someone's joke)
miss J , you're seems to be a good player, don't let one Sh*t head ruin your game. It really seems to me that you remember her bad beat more then you remember the times that you beaten her. And it also seems to me you let your ego come in the way and destroy your game. I though that was only a male problem
In any case, dealing with a player like that is a good lesson for life as well as for poker. Don't let her get under your skin. tighten your game a tad when playing her, try to keep small pots for small hands and try to steal all her money with giants pots.
If you know she'll call your allin most time, don't use it when she's on a draw that can beat your hand. Be more passive against her!
Good luck, and really, don't let one crap head ruin your fun.
BTW, took me awhile to locate the pic, but it was sure worth it
Danny
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:03 am GMT by PhotoReady
I assure you it is no joke. Copyright theft is illegal and my company will pursue all such violations to the full extent of the law. The images on photoready are my company's livelihood.
Respectfully
Mark Ridley, Director
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:25 am GMT by Geno
Mark,
The offending image has been removed which should clear up this matter since clearly, there was no intent or malice to Crack's actions and you now have no bandwidth issues to worry about.
Out of interest, while you are crusading the Internet looking for people to pay you £30, try reading the rules of the forum here. We do not allow people to post URLs to any website (especially their own) and I will ban you if you ever try it again. I hope you understand that I'm just doing my job.
- Andy
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:02 am GMT by Skribbles
| PhotoReady wrote: | The images on photoready are my company's livelihood.
Respectfully
Mark Ridley, Director |
I feel bad for you.
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:31 am GMT by UrAteUp
Hell Mark you should feel honored. Let him us it as long as he includes the company name. Maybe he can generate you more business. Don't think of it as him stealing... but think of a way to turn it into advertising your company. Write off the fees you would charge as advertising expense on your taxes and you got a win win situation.
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:00 am GMT by Miss_J
| MrDarling wrote: | And it also seems to me you let your ego come in the way and destroy your game. I though that was only a male problem
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not just a male problem! lol it's true.
anyways, i started playing them again. seen her make a few dumbass moves that actually didn't somehow work out for her for once! feeling better about the situation.
thanks guys.
and what the hell is up with this photo ready jerk?
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:42 am GMT by crack
| PhotoReady wrote: | I assure you it is no joke. Copyright theft is illegal and my company will pursue all such violations to the full extent of the law. The images on photoready are my company's livelihood.
Respectfully
Mark Ridley, Director |
Oh man your company must have a lot of time on their hands if you trawl internet forums looking for your images trying to scare people with legal action.
You can have your £30 when you prise it out of my cold dead fingers. I would rather give the money to some junky. As you can clearly tell I was doing it to try and rip off your teddybear company, I used slander and tried to take your teddybear and sell it as my own, in order to put you out of business therefore pissing all over your livelihood.
Rule 1: Get your images off of google image search or have your T&C in nice big and bold letters saying that any use of our images for non profit/banter on a public forum will result in a charge of £30 from my sham of a company.
Of course, you won't do that, because you probably get some poor saps actually paying you, you dirty f*cking con merchants. I assure you I will never use your images again. In fact, if I ever happen to come into contact with your teddybears I will most likely burn them.
How's that for an apology and your £30 fee?
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:00 am GMT by Johny
Craig, you're awesome.
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:57 am GMT by ScanX
| PhotoReady wrote: | I assure you it is no joke. Copyright theft is illegal and my company will pursue all such violations to the full extent of the law. The images on photoready are my company's livelihood.
Respectfully
Mark Ridley, Director |
you sir, are one sad f*ck
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:10 pm GMT by groton
LMAO
I love Internet scam artist
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:21 pm GMT by foldhappy
photoready = douchebag
Moving on. To the OP: There are 2 things that I've found help in situations like this. First is that you can't let it show that it bothers you. I know that's hard as hell to do, but getting upset will only raise her awareness and give her more ammo to play with. The second thing, I'll give an example of:
Once in a while I play in a home game with a bunch of guys from work. We just play $5 buy in tourneys, usually about 6-8 guys. None of them take poker as seriously as I do. Some try to play good, but think they know more than they do. The others are just bad, erratic and some have rivalries with others. For instance, one guy who isn't very good is constantly busting out one of the "better" players. He lives for it. He probably feels like busting the other guy out is as good as winning some $$ since it wouldn't be a whole lot anyways. Now, whenever the "better" player busts out by him, he turns red, talks trash...the usual. When I bust out..........I talk him up. I've actually nicknamed this guy Timmy Two Pair. I'm sure you can figure out why. Now, when I bust out against him I can just play it off and say awww, damn, ya got me again......with YOUR hand too: two pair. He knows I'm a better player than him and you know what? He doesn't care. He wins often enough to have fun playing poker, but he's too dumb to realize how much he loses in the long run. I will keep him there as long as I can, but I will not berate him or trash talk him or do anything that would cause him to play against me, the same way that he plays against his rival. And his rival, still just thinks of him as a bad player and thinks he's just taking bad beats all the time, when in actuality he is not seeing the same situations against Timmy that I do because he's allowed that rivalry dynamic to develop.
Sort of rambling, sorry about that. Just to reiterate: Mark Ridley eats corn......the long way. 
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:55 am GMT by Miss_J
*UPDATE*
she's gone. she caused some shit and got herself banned. lol BYE BYE beyotch
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:09 pm GMT by crack
Lol. You should have given her a parting shot.
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