Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:42 am GMT by Phil14312
***** Hand History for Game 4673547286 *****
$2/$4 Texas Hold'em - Friday, July 07, 03:39:05 ET 2006
Table Table 96614 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 5: tightmommy ( $60 )
Seat 3: celesteclub ( $191.50 )
Seat 4: meriom ( $162 )
Seat 6: alankrz ( $20.25 )
Seat 2: neil4abs ( $60 )
celesteclub posts small blind $1.
meriom posts big blind $2.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to celesteclub  
tightmommy folds.
alankrz folds.
>You have options at Seychelles Table!.
celesteclub raises $3.
meriom calls $2.
** Dealing Flop **   
celesteclub bets $2.
meriom calls $2.
** Dealing Turn ** 
celesteclub checks.
meriom bets $4.
celesteclub raises $8.
meriom raises $8.
celesteclub calls $4.
** Dealing River ** 
celesteclub checks.
meriom checks.
celesteclub shows two pairs, queens and sevens.
meriom shows   a full house, Sevens full of queens.
meriom wins $34.50 from the main pot with a full house, Sevens full of queens.
Rip it apart.
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Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:39 am GMT by UrAteUp
I don't play much FL online but it's my game in the casinos. Phil you better then anyone know bluffing is almost non existant. With the hand villian had there was no way they were going to fold. Why try pushing with no hand and no part of the flop?
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:20 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I probably don't raise the turn with only the draw. SH games don't have a whole bunch of fold equity at that point. Might be a good spot to donkbet though.
Rest looks OK to me.
| UrAteUp wrote: | | I don't play much FL online but it's my game in the casinos. Phil you better then anyone know bluffing is almost non existant. With the hand villian had there was no way they were going to fold. Why try pushing with no hand and no part of the flop? |
1) It's a 5-handed game
2) K-high is often the best hand heads up.
3) The flop bet was a standard continuation bet. The turn raise was a semi-bluff.
4) If villain had turned over his hand on the flop, I'm sure Phil would've been more than happy to fold.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:52 am GMT by crack
Reads on oppoent are helpful here, especially shorthanded games.
PF: Fine
Flop: Fine
Turn: this is where it gets tricky. I don't really like your move here I would only do this if I have seen buddy fold to turn check raise before and I have seen him call a flop bet after a raise with very little.
Even then I am still going to be a bit concerned about that move. I think conditions need to be perfect.
I think I prefer the Turn Bet and fold to a raise. He has to be raising with something unless he is very tricky and you are not getting odds on a flush + gutshot.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:06 am GMT by UrAteUp
| Quote: | 1) It's a 5-handed game
2) K-high is often the best hand heads up. |
Thanks Sean. I was about ready to comment that most likely someone would have a pair here but I remember playing FL in a casino and played AK all the way down to split the pot with another gentlmen. So I won't debate that statement.
| Quote: | | flop bet was a standard continuation bet. The turn raise was a semi-bluff. |
I can agree with the continuation bet here but the semi bluff is almost a waste in FL IMO.
| Quote: |
4) If villain had turned over his hand on the flop, I'm sure Phil would've been more than happy to fold. |
This I have no doubts about. Phil is a good player and I am sure had he known what he was up against, would have laid this down money $$ ago... 
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:26 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| UrAteUp wrote: | | I can agree with the continuation bet here but the semi bluff is almost a waste in FL IMO. |
In this case, you're right, and I even said I didn't like the turn checkraise for the lack of fold equity. But if you never semi bluff in fixed limit, you're leaving a LOT of money on the table.
A whole lot.
A bunch even.
And then probably some more that I forgot about.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:31 pm GMT by Dave B
bluffing is almost non-existant??????
ARE YOU INSANE?
Bluffing is a huge part of limit.
1) buy a lot of small pots
2) buy the occasional med-big pot
3) get paid off on good hands when you are caught bluffing
Furthermore, to say that in heads up limit poker that bluffing isnt a HUGE part is down right dangerous. WTF, when you both miss 1/3 of the flops completely, who do you think will win these hands????
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:31 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Dave B wrote: | bluffing is almost non-existant??????
ARE YOU INSANE?
Bluffing is a huge part of limit.
1) buy a lot of small pots
2) buy the occasional med-big pot
3) get paid off on good hands when you are caught bluffing
Furthermore, to say that in heads up limit poker that bluffing isnt a HUGE part is down right dangerous. WTF, when you both miss 1/3 of the flops completely, who do you think will win these hands???? |
The thing is Dave if another player has doubts about what your representing then all they have to do is isolate you and call you down. You can't use an all-in move to persuade them to back the hell off your pot. That's all I am getting at. I have bluffed a time or two playing FL online. So true, I can't really say it doesn't exist or is crazy to do. Most times though if your beat you'll know when it does go to the end.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:57 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Dave B wrote: | bluffing is almost non-existant??????
ARE YOU INSANE?
Bluffing is a huge part of limit.
1) buy a lot of small pots
2) buy the occasional med-big pot
3) get paid off on good hands when you are caught bluffing
Furthermore, to say that in heads up limit poker that bluffing isnt a HUGE part is down right dangerous. WTF, when you both miss 1/3 of the flops completely, who do you think will win these hands???? |
The thing is Dave if another player has doubts about what your representing then all they have to do is isolate you and call you down. You can't use an all-in move to persuade them to back the hell off your pot. That's all I am getting at. I have bluffed a time or two playing FL online. So true, I can't really say it doesn't exist or is crazy to do. Most times though if your beat you'll know when it does go to the end. |
Only if the hand started with a lot of people. Otherwise I'm in agreement with Dave. In small, often heads-up pots, bluffing is essential to winning. In fact, I'd go so far as to say most of my profit in $5/$10 came from simply betting at every heads-up pot.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:02 pm GMT by Dave B
If you arent looking for spots to steal pots, then you arent playing poker.
If you want to gamble, play blackjack-you will lose less.
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