How do you handle guys like this? |
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Posted Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:15 am GMT by eyemin
His stats:
176 hands played
VPIP- 48%
PFR-22%
amount won-$256
Very frustrating playing against this guy, he raised with everything and won 62% of his showdowns. To say he dominated the table is putting it mildly. This was at $2/$4 limit HE by the way. Here is an example of his play.
Game #2942473134: Hold'em FL ($2/$4) - 2006/07/08 - 19:36:10 (ET)
Table "Red Rock" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: Golden_14 ($125 in chips)
Seat 2: KidofKink ($218.50 in chips)
Seat 3: oicucicu ($161 in chips)
Seat 4: ALLVEGAS ($21 in chips)
Seat 5: theduke ($37.50 in chips)
Seat 6: sumbudy ($170 in chips)
Seat 7: sevntiger ($74 in chips)
Seat 8: March19 ($61.69 in chips)
Seat 9: rito_sv ($40 in chips)
Seat 10: TryTiltme ($204 in chips)
ALLVEGAS: posts small blind $1
theduke sits out
sumbudy: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to sumbudy  
sevntiger: folds
sevntiger leaves the table
March19: calls $2
TryTiltme: folds
KidofKink: raises $4
oicucicu: raises $6
ontheerai joins the table at seat #7
ALLVEGAS: folds
sumbudy: folds
March19: calls $4
KidofKink: calls $2
----- FLOP -----   
March19: checks
KidofKink: checks
oicucicu: bets $2
March19: calls $2
KidofKink: calls $2
----- TURN ----- 
March19: checks
KidofKink: checks
oicucicu: checks
----- RIVER ----- 
March19: checks
KidofKink: checks
oicucicu: checks
----- SHOW DOWN -----
March19: shows   (High Card Ace)
KidofKink: mucks hand  
oicucicu: shows   (A Pair of Jacks, King high)
oicucicu collects $25.75 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $27 Main pot $25.75 Rake $1.25
Board
Seat 2: KidofKink mucked
Seat 3: oicucicu (button) showed and won ($25.75) with A Pair of Jacks, King high
Seat 4: ALLVEGAS (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sumbudy (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: March19 showed and lost
Seat 10: TryTiltme folded before Flop (didn't bet)
****HAND ENDS****
and another
Game #2942560834: Hold'em FL ($2/$4) - 2006/07/08 - 19:45:59 (ET)
Table "Red Rock" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: Golden_14 ($159.50 in chips)
Seat 2: KidofKink ($197 in chips)
Seat 3: oicucicu ($178.25 in chips)
Seat 4: ALLVEGAS ($27 in chips)
Seat 5: elbowsMcG ($61.88 in chips)
Seat 6: sumbudy ($157 in chips)
Seat 7: ontheerai ($159.62 in chips)
Seat 8: March19 ($72.44 in chips)
Seat 9: Krassotti ($75 in chips)
Seat 10: TryTiltme ($203 in chips)
sumbudy: posts small blind $1
ontheerai: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to sumbudy  
March19: folds
Krassotti: folds
TryTiltme: folds
Golden_14: folds
KidofKink: folds
oicucicu: raises $4
ALLVEGAS: calls $4
elbowsMcG: folds
sumbudy: folds
ontheerai: folds
----- FLOP -----   
oicucicu: bets $2
ALLVEGAS: raises $4
oicucicu: raises $4
ALLVEGAS: calls $2
----- TURN ----- 
oicucicu: bets $4
ALLVEGAS: calls $4
----- RIVER -----
oicucicu: bets $4
ALLVEGAS: calls $4
----- SHOW DOWN -----
oicucicu: shows   (Three of a kind, Sixes, Ace high)
ALLVEGAS: mucks hand  
oicucicu collects $37.25 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $39 Main pot $37.25 Rake $1.75
Board
Seat 1: Golden_14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: KidofKink folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: oicucicu showed and won ($37.25) with Three of a kind, Sixes, Ace high
Seat 4: ALLVEGAS mucked
Seat 5: elbowsMcG (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sumbudy (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ontheerai (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: March19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Krassotti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: TryTiltme folded before Flop (didn't bet)
****HAND ENDS****
Now I like to think in the long run this guy will lose but this is not the first time I have seen a maniac dominate a table. It just makes me think, can I learn anything from this guy.
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Posted Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:47 am GMT by supafrey
To answer your question, yes you can learn alot from him.
Posted Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:21 pm GMT by khaosanroad
I can't believe no one made a bet on the turn or river on that first hand. Your villain probably did not expect to win that one, but at that point the others are afraid of him.
Posted Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:56 pm GMT by ninetensuited
please oh god let this guy be at my table next time i play!!!!!!!!!judging by the name of the room, did that happen to be on Full Tilt?
Posted Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:47 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
Yes, there is something you can learn. Mostly, there is a raise button. Use it. A lot.
Posted Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:58 pm GMT by eyemin
I think I play pretty solid poker, unfortunately I was'nt getting very good cards and I was'nt going to try to bluff this guy. This guy also was winning 66% of his showdowns. This was on Interpoker and I have been watching for him since but hav'nt seen him. I would like another shot at him.
Posted Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:52 am GMT by UrAteUp
| supafrey wrote: | | To answer your question, yes you can learn alot from him. |
Good advice from a maniac...  . The secret to playing a maniac is waiting for great starting cards and making them pay dearly for aggression.
Rule 2 is never let a maniac limp into a pot your playing in. In order to know how to avoid this revert to rule 1.
Posted Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:07 pm GMT by ninetensuited
as i have posted on another thread about my .01/.02 NL games...in one of the games this weekend we got a maniac at the table, i was sitting with 14$ on the table, this guy buys in for 2$ and starts pushing everything....somehow he manages to build his stack up to 10$...meanwhile im on a string of really bad cards....i type in...."you just wait, your stack is mine" he said "oh really?"....Three hands later i get AA on the big blind. (my fav. place to get AA) This time he just limps, flop is K  8  3  and he pushes...I immidiatly(sp?) call he has K9o and gets no help and he leaves bitching....so much fun!
Posted Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:11 pm GMT by lwestatbus
This situation is it's own circle of hell for a good player. When arrogantly bad play combines with unbelievably good luck it is easy to think that the fates are just plain against you. I see these kinds of players a lot in my FL ring games and I see three consequences of their behavior:
1. They force out a LOT of marginal starting cards. If bozo raises or reraises most hands then the JT suited, AT, and 77 starting cards aren't going to play and his competition goes down.
2. They force out a lot of winning hands post flop. Top pair begins to doubt his strength and will fold rather than call down.
3. Both situations above reduce the number of players in the pot making the payoff from playing even great starting cards even lower when you do win. If bozo is a known raiser, you come at him after a period of inactivity, everyone else is going to head for the hills, unless they ALSO have a monster hand.
Had one of these bozos last week who stayed in a 2-raise preflop with what turned out to be 83 suited. I had waited forever for pocket aces and the flop had an ace. But I also watched as an open ended 4-card straight to the seven built on the board and, of course, bozo, who wouldn't dream of folding, took it down.
Like eyemin, I don't have a great strategy for dealing with these guys as it also seems as if I end up at these tables with a streak of crappola cards. However, I have also had a very few tables when the best possible thing happens, you get two of these bozos at the same table. Whoooeeee. Now you automatically have pots worth going after and the traps you can lay are wonders to behold. My absolute biggest winning tables ever have been in these circumstances.
I hate to leave a table with one of these wackos, but it is discouraging sometimes.
Posted Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:09 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| lwestatbus wrote: |
1. They force out a LOT of marginal starting cards. If bozo raises or reraises most hands then the JT suited, AT, and 77 starting cards aren't going to play and his competition goes down.
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I will take one of these marginal hands into a pot with a maniac any day. It's all in knowing how to play it. If you don't connect on the flop then lay it down and come back with another one. When you do connect on the flop it really pisses off a maniac. Maniacs have been feeding my bankroll for awhile now. I even watch for new ones because the ones I usually play know if I am in a pot for any distance then I have a good hand or possibly the nut hand already.
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