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Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:14 am GMT by thompson182
I'm sorry I don't have the hand history but I'll try and make this easy to ready. Basically 4 people limp into a pot. I call the big blind of one dollar with 77. Flop comes 78A. Two clubs. One player bets 7 dollars. One call. I call. Another player calls. The turn is a K. There is now 2 clubs and 2 spades. Player 1 checks. Player 2 bets 8. I bet raise to 17. Player 4 calls. Player 1 raises all in to 70. Player 2 folds... I fold bottom set. I believe this is the correct play at this point... any opinions?
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Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:40 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
You should've raised the flop, pushed the turn.
I think you had the best hand by a mile.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:46 am GMT by thompson182
I've been burned before though with a lower set. In an unraised pot it's not that uncommon an occurance. I normally don't raise the pot from 2nd/3rd position with med. pocket pair. it leaves a lot of questions after the flop. i would normally think i had the best hand after the flop but the check raising of the player in 1st position is exactly what i would do if i had hit a better set....
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:51 am GMT by MrDarling
Without any reads its hard to tell, but I don't like to slow play small set. especially not with a scary board. So I would have raised the flop.
people do like to chase flush draws, but it doesn't mean you have to fold, you're still way a head.
You're playing very passive and represent a weak hand (I would have guessed you're on a draw) These is a chance one of them slow played pocket K or even pocket A , and unless you raised the flop considerably you can't tell.
So, what did they show in the end?
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:03 am GMT by thompson182
nada.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:13 am GMT by Jefecaminador
I don't think you have enough info to make the assumption that he has a higher set. He could easily be making this move with 2 pair or even A + flush draw. You havent shown any real strength and you're getting hugh odds to call, especially since anyone with a flush draw is most likely coming along for the ride. There was what, 74 in the pot when he raised to 70? So its 53 to call a pot of 144, a little over 2.7 to 1. You better be damn sure he has an over set if you're gonna lay this hand down, and I don't think you have enough info to say that. Theres just too many possible hands that would make this play to know you're beat.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:26 am GMT by Poto
Raise the flop with all those players in there! There's a flush draw and various straight draws, why do you slow play?
Don't fold the turn, you're afraid of 88 and 88 only, am I right? What about two pairs with a suited ace, a straight flush draw, etc? I really think you have the best hand here more often than not.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:23 am GMT by UrAteUp
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | You should've raised the flop, pushed the turn.
I think you had the best hand by a mile. |
Yep...I think would have been your best play for 77 and hitting your set. Sets are vulnerable and often require aggressive actions to keep them strong.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:29 am GMT by Dave B
Sets are volnerable? That is insane.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:45 am GMT by shorn7
I think you need to raise the flop here too. You need to make draws pay to get there and there are enough folks in this pot that indicate their might be one out there. I am not worried about set over set here.
On the turn, someone could easily have picked up a backdoor draw to go with their top pair (Ax of spades), so I don't interpret his raise as definitely being a set. I would have, however, more than min-raised on the turn as again now you are giving two potential flush draws odds to chase. Add to that the fact that it is only 53 to call when you could easily be ahead and there is no way I fold this. In fact, I might even push over the top again if I am next to get any one behind me out.
If someone else has a bigger set than me, then they win.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:56 am GMT by tame_deuces
AA unlikely, KK unlikely, no straight, no flush, the only thing you fear is 88 and everything else you are crushing and I'm assuming regular stacks. Get your money in there. A fold here is very weak.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:11 am GMT by ScanX
if u fold a set of 7's on 78KA you're playing way too scared.
give me that exact hand all day long, I'm all-in 100% of the time and I'm a millionaire by the end of the month
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:39 am GMT by TxShadow
Definately would have to call here as played. If he's got a better set, I'm going broke.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:44 pm GMT by Johny
Folding is wrong here.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:04 pm GMT by JewishPete
Unraised pot, there are very very few things that could concievably beat you right here.
The ONLY hand I could think of anyone possibly having that has you beat would be 88. And even that is way too far fetched in this situation to fold. Obviously no one has KK or AA.
More than likely the all-in came from either K8 or a suited weak ace with the nut flush draw.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:46 pm GMT by Moon_Child
EASY CALL... like said before AA KK unlikely, 2 pair = yes, crazy draw = yes, but only hand i would put someone on is 88, but i would just call for the hell of it, i wouldn't lay it down.
and with so many players in the pot, i would of raised the flop because anyone could be on a flush draw and calling gives pot odds. i dunno tho.
thats how i would play it.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:30 pm GMT by Skribbles
| ScanX wrote: | if u fold a set of 7's on 78KA you're playing way too scared.
give me that exact hand all day long, I'm all-in 100% of the time and I'm a millionaire by the end of the month |
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:56 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I'm not sure if Phil Hellmuth could lay this one down. Phil is much better than me so there's no way I can lay it down.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:26 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | I'm not sure if Phil Hellmuth could lay this one down. Phil is much better than me so there's no way I can lay it down. |
That's how he makes his living... making great laydowns.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:32 pm GMT by zinn0
If someone has a higher set, we are supposed to go broke.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:21 pm GMT by mortaleclipse
I will tell you your lay down was not the right move at the turn. For one thing ill tell you I was in exact same situation you were in 2 days ago. You know what, take one guess who won that 44 dollar pot after all said and done, ME  . player 1 had kings which was top pair and other guy was on straight draw that he missed. Unless you got 4 card flush or straight on the board you should be calling this after the huge raise cause more then likely you are way ahead. Yes the chance to get out drawn on the river is there but that happens but more then likely that pot was yours.
Posted Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:54 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
I had a hand where i limped with 33 from mid position after 2 limpers, 4th person limped after me. Flop comes 732 rainbow. 1/2 pot bet from one of the early limpers. Everyone calls. Turn comes K, original raiser bets about the pot, i raise 3x his bet, he goes all in (about double my bet) I of course call. River comes another 3 giving me quads. Other guy shows pocket 7's for a full house, and then procedes to say "nice one-outer, you play amazingly". I then laugh and tell him hes an idiot if he would of folded in my position. End of story.
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:42 am GMT by JewishPete
| Jefecaminador wrote: | | I had a hand where i limped with 33 from mid position after 2 limpers, 4th person limped after me. Flop comes 732 rainbow. 1/2 pot bet from one of the early limpers. Everyone calls. Turn comes K, original raiser bets about the pot, i raise 3x his bet, he goes all in (about double my bet) I of course call. River comes another 3 giving me quads. Other guy shows pocket 7's for a full house, and then procedes to say "nice one-outer, you play amazingly". I then laugh and tell him hes an idiot if he would of folded in my position. End of story. |
Similarly in a SNG the other night, I raise QQ with 2 callers on the button. flop comes QA5, It's checked to me. I bet 1/2 the pot. Turn is another 5. 2 people go all in, so Im thinking A5 and a flush draw. I was right about the A5, but wrong about the flush draw. Other guy turns over AA and I suck out with my 1 outer for quad queens on the river 
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