Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:34 pm GMT by WD-40
OK, I'm playing the $30 +3 Sng's...seems like when we get down to 4 I'm having a hard time getting into the money. I play pretty tight/aggressive so I know I've given a certain image at the table.
But it seems like I'm usually around 3rd in chips when we get there and the short stack abuses me. I'm getting bad/weak hands, he goes all-in, the chip leaders fold,...I fold. This happens a couple of time....I finally make the call with K J and get beat with A 7 or something like that.
I know eventually he'll run into someone with a big hand, who will make the call and he'll lose, but what do you do until then? Just fold marginal hands? Let him steal my blinds?
By the way, when I get good cards, I'm doing the same thing, and they fold to me.
Thoughts?
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Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:52 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
i've found harrington's voume 2 to be excellent help in this area...basically, keep a close watch on your 'm'...which is how many times you could pay all the blinds and antes w/ your stack...basically if your m is above 20, you can afford to take long shots w/ little pp's and suited connectors, if m=10-20, suited connectors and little pp's are less appealing, but you need to get more aggressive w/ more mediocre hands....5-10 is more of the same only more so....if your m is 5 or less, you really need to push all-in w/ not much very frequently....in particular, being the first to enter the pot is great...obviously there are more things to consider, but i'd definitely check it out...
when things get short handed, i like to pick targets...i like to avoid big stacks cuz they can afford to goof off...and i avoid little guys to some degree also cuz i dont want them pushing over top for an all-in when i have a marginal hand...so i like to go after the middle stacks cuz they are more likely to be tightening up, and less likely to push
also, accentuate position and being the first to enter a pot....call less, raise or fold
Posted Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:55 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
I like to play really aggressive on the bubble since a lot of ppl arent willing to go broke on marginal hands near the money. Try to make the minimum raise possible that will get people to fold, so if they come over the top you can still get away from your hand if thats the play you want. Reading Harrington 2 is a good idea, he explains the theory pretty well. If you're a medium stack try to steal blinds with the minimum possible, if you're short (for me thats 10 m or less) just push all in if you're gonna enter the pot. And don't be afraid to push with low cards like 67, if you get called you're still gonna be about 35% to win. And obviosuly if you have an A you're probably ahead so push away.
Also, being first into the pot is huge, if someone calls before you, fold unless you have a really strong hand.
Posted Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:25 am GMT by MrDarling
Yeah, don't alter your game just because the Short stack starting to be aggressive. You are actually playing to his hand.
When its happens on a table that someone goes allin all the time, I simply tighten up a little, I don't even limp or raise normal starting hands unless I'm willing to push allin on them. When I get a good hand, and want them to push me, I'll make the normal 4XBB raise (or whatever is normal considering the blinds , end of tourney my preflop raise usually go down to 2-2.5XBB) and hope they'll push allin .
On the bubble, if you have a decent hand, and you can raise before short stack, do it. A good SS player, wont go allin behind you unless he has a real hand!
Posted Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:38 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
In my experience, when the blinds get relatively high compared to stack sizes (ie, the biggest stacks have no more than 15-20 BB's), sometimes it's better to go all-in every hand regardless of your cards than to try and "wait it out." Many players will get frustrated and call you with weaker hands than they ordinarily would, and give you a better chance to take control. And, you get to steal a lot of blinds in the process. With 4 players left, no one wants to go out next, so if you constantly push all-in, they NEED a hand to call, and probably won't call with 90%+ of their hands, and the higher the blinds are, the better.
I agree with Sid... read Harrington Volume 2 on stack size control.
Posted Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:24 am GMT by BigBadWolf
My recomendation: stay away and try to wait it out. Most ones to make the money are the ones that survive. Remember, your goal is to make the money, and then make first.
Posted Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:19 pm GMT by Tadzio
Assuming you're pretty tight when you start tournaments, I'd suggest to start playing aggressively once there's 5-6 players left so you have a good chip stack for the bubble-grind. People will give you credit for hands you don't have at least for a little while. When you get to the bubble, just remember that it's not your responsibility to knock the shortstack out of the tournament. Call him when it makes sense to, fold when it doesn't.
Posted Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:32 pm GMT by greathuskie
| BigBadWolf wrote: | | My recomendation: stay away and try to wait it out. Most ones to make the money are the ones that survive. Remember, your goal is to make the money, and then make first. |
if you dont take control of the table, someone else will.
you should change your name, bigbadwolf isnt fitting at all.
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