Posted Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:42 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Dear AQo,
I'm sorry, but I just don't think I should be raising you from early or middle position anymore. I need some more position. It's nothing you did, it's all me. I just can't be commited to something I don't truly want. Hopefully we can still be limpers.
Sincerely,
Donny
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Posted Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:24 pm GMT by Iron Butt
LOL... I'll raise AQo early to mid if I'm first in the pot and/or I think my raise will get some respect (which is most of the time). I don't like a limper before me, especially if he has a lot of chips, might limp there.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:56 am GMT by khaosanroad
I"m not getting any respect for my AQo, not even when a Q hits the flop.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:16 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Hmmm, AQo, always a tricky hand.
Are we talking Limit or No Limit here?
In limit, I almost always will raise from any position with AQ if no one else has raised the pot yet, and it is one of only a few hands I'm willing to cold call two bets with, but only from middle-late position and only if there aren't any super aggressive players behind me. Against a loose raiser, I'd make it 3 bets to isolate.
In No Limit, you might be able to get away with limping in EP with AQ, but only if you think you're very good at figuring out where you are post-flop against a few limpers. Otherwise you need to raise to narrow the range of hands that can profitably call. AQ is a moderately strong hand, and I think it's usually worth a raise. If the game is excessively tough, however, you could even fold from EP. In late position, I would probably call a mid-sized raise and almost certainly raise if no one else has.
Then there's the matter of post flop play, but that brings in a huge number of variables. Just don't get addicted to the hand if you only flop a pair, especially if there's a lot of action on the flop or there was a lot of action post flop.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:33 am GMT by shorn7
I have taken to limping a lot with AQo in the deep stack NL games I play (AKo as well UTG in a really tough game). It just seems that in these games, too many people are willing to call a preflop raise and a continuation bet on the flop with a small to medium pair that you have to fire three shells to get them to go away. That is a big chip committment on an Ace high hand.
My decision to begin limping with these hands also plays into my thoughts that I never want to get married to a one pair hand (no matter how good) in deep stack NL. It just costs too much money, especially from EP.
I definitely raise with both these hands from MP and LP, but since I have started limping from EP, my results have definitely improved. Will I fold the best hand some of the time? Sure. Will I be letting in weaker hands behind me that would not have called a preflop raise and will outdraw me some of the time. You bet. But, since I will never really know where I am at by raising preflop and making a continuation bet with nothing or top pair when called, I don't think I am giving up too much EV in these situations.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:14 pm GMT by khaosanroad
| shorn7 wrote: | It just seems that in these games, too many people are willing to call a preflop raise and a continuation bet on the flop with a small to medium pair that you have to fire three shells to get them to go away. That is a big chip committment on an Ace high hand.
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This is exactly what I'm running into. Some people just wont lay down those pocket 3's.
last session I just limped my AQo. It seemed like people were more likely to believe i hit a pair of queens if I limped, and I didn't feel obligated to make a continuation bet if I missed the flop.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:00 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| khaosanroad wrote: | | It seemed like people were more likely to believe i hit a pair of queens if I limped... |
Why is this a good thing? 
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:36 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I like AQ, its a fine hand. I don't have big troubles with raising it from any position. You have to play some poker after the flop now and then ofcourse, but hey, we're playing poker here.
Posted Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:38 pm GMT by Iron Butt
| tame_deuces wrote: | | I like AQ, its a fine hand. I don't have big troubles with raising it from any position. You have to play some poker after the flop now and then ofcourse, but hey, we're playing poker here. |
LOL... N1, total pwnage.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:08 pm GMT by Muck
LOL nice post khaosanroad 
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:52 pm GMT by lwestatbus
| Muck wrote: | | LOL nice post khaosanroad |
LOL also. I really liked the post, but....
AQ is one of my 'lucky hands'. You know, one of those hands that you can call on a Saturday night when all of your other hands are washing their hair and you haven't had any luck in a while. It colors my thinking about the hand.
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