Posted Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:59 pm GMT by Dave B
JJ in the big blind, 6 players remain, blinds 100/200, I have 2400 (started w/ 2k), shortest stack at the table moves all in for 1050 from early position and a player w/ 3k calls from the button.
Call? Fold? All in?
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Posted Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:14 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Tough one... I found myself in the same situation with TT the other day, and I pushed; the caller had KK, but that seems like an anamoly. Chances are you're up against two sets of overcards, maybe less from the guy with 1000.
With only 1000 left, a player of average skill has a pretty big hand range for pushing. I think he could have any pair, A8-AK, and maybe even QJ or better. The caller, since he did not re-raise himself, probably does not have a big pair unless he's making a really fancy play and hoping someone else will call/raise. I'd say his range is probably 7's or better on the pair side, and maybe AJ or better on the overcard side.
With only about 12x the BB, I think this is as good a time as any to make the triple up do-or-die attempt. My vote is for pushing.
Posted Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:27 pm GMT by ninetensuited
i say fold, i think you'll get a better, more favorable oppurtunity later...just my opinion though, god knows its not always right
Posted Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:55 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I don't like playing this pot 3-handed, and I doubt you can get the button to fold for another 1K.
I'd probably fold. You have little invested.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:12 am GMT by Johny
I push for the same reasons as Diamond.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:06 am GMT by Jefecaminador
Im iffy which way i'd go. I'd prolly check the other stacks that are on the table, if its one guy with a lot of chips, meaning we're relatively even with the rest of the group, i'd fold. If most ppl have more chips than me, I prolly go for a push.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:13 am GMT by Fat Tony
If nobody else had called i might have, but a caller in front of you makes this a lay-down IMO.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:21 am GMT by MrDarling
it really depend on the level of the game, how long has the short stack been short , how tight was he so far, how tight is the caller etc.. Also, what is the table mood? Do people fold to most raises , are people more lose and limp a lot?
in a low level games , people consider Ax a strong hand as well as anything suited. I'd call or push , depend on my mood .
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:37 am GMT by Jefecaminador
I don't think call is an option. Theres no way to make extra money after the flop unless something peculiar happens. Generally if he calls a push after the flop you're beat. Either push or fold.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:22 am GMT by arras
| Johny wrote: | | I push for the same reasons as Diamond. |
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:22 am GMT by BMiller1980
Push. The short stack probably is on Ax and the caller could have anything from Ax to a small pair. I think you will be getting your money in with the best hand. JJ is a pretty strong hand when you are playing 6 handed.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:55 pm GMT by UrAteUp
If you had a larger stack I would say push and get the 3K to lay down. Since you don't lay it down I say. Another avenue I have seen people take (myself included) is to call and if a J hits that board then push baby push.
Without risking a huge portion of your stack though I think it best to lay this hand down.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:09 pm GMT by groton
push
you Most likly got the best hand
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:06 pm GMT by Dave B
I felt like a the "good" play was to fold. The smooth call in LP concerned me more than an all in would have. It was almost like he was begging for action.
I a multi, I likely would have laid it down, but being a SNG (turbo even, I didnt mention that, but is does mean less opportunities for a better spot) I made a call feeling like I was in a race.
My "feeling" was right, but my play was wrong. Ax out of the 1st all in, KK for the LP player. I went all in and lost. The flop was all undercards, so I dont get away from this hand either way.
Posted Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:45 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Heh, so much for my "anamoly" statement. I guess that call was a plea for action. Folding is a fine play too if you don't want to gamble at that particular moment, but my feeling is that you have to gamble sooner or later in SnG's, which is why I suggested pushing when you're likely to have the best of it, if even by a little.
But I guess I'll have to start laying hands like this down... TT was bad for me and now JJ for DaveB. I knew I was a donkey all along. 
Posted Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:51 am GMT by UrAteUp
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | I knew I was a donkey all along. |
Quoted for truth Diamond... 
Dave I like the lay down here. I agree with everyone who said the smooth call bothered them. A player only smooth calls for two reasons. Most times it is because they have a monster and want as many people as possible in the pot to help pay them off better. Also as I said in my earlier reply, why risk most of your stack when you could wait for a better hand in wich you know your ahead before the flop.
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