Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:13 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
After a week of 6 tabling 10NL, I'm up $50. I find the game is very beatable, while rarely facing tough decisions.
My goal is to eventually make $500 from 10NL alone. I've stopped playing SnGs (but still play MTTs) so I've averaged about 3-4 hours of cash per day.
I think this goal is pretty obtainable, and not just saying that because of the immediate results. I'm aware that cold streaks and slumps are bound to happen.
Along for the ride, is my PokerTracker which is a great tool considering many of the 10NL players are multitablers such as myself, and I have gathered info on them.
So that's it, just sharing my goal, and i'll try to update regularly.
Anyone have any opinons on this?
EDIT - as written in a later post, the goal is now revised to $250.
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Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:05 am GMT by kainARGH
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | After a week of 6 tabling 10NL, I'm up $50. |
not to be adick, but that sounds pretty bad. how long do you play? maybe 6 tableing isnt quite working - i think after a week you could be up more then 50$
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*edit up is good though, and good to hear your up not breaking even 
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:08 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
In my defense, I've had AA cracked 3-4 times. Lol, I just that really doesn't justify what you said. Also, it's been about 5-6 days as opposed to week as well if that does anything.
As I'm going along I'm learning more of the do's and don'ts but I personally don't think that 10NL is really that complicated, so hopefully my progress will pick up.
Do you play at 10NL tables?
EDIT: Can anything seen here be improved?
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:26 am GMT by MrDarling
I agree that in those levels its not that easy to make a $50 into $500 .
what is your bank roll?
I started with a $50 as well , but since its not that much for this level (only 500XBB and only 5Xbuyin) I find it hard to gamble with and actually am on a losing streak.
On these level it helps to have a big BR , people will call with anything , some consider Any A or suited card the nuts and often will out draw you with rag hands. It is a good thing in the long run, but if you don't have the BR to allow some loses, you might end the day broke....
Well, at least that what happens to me - but I can be a total fish sometimes.
Good luck and keep us informed.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:32 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Thanks,
But I do have the bankroll for it. I'm currently sitting around $450 so that shouldn't be a concern.
I know the general play of the players at this level, and typical Tight-Agressive play with a seldom bluff seems to be doing the trick.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:17 am GMT by tame_deuces
Kain: I think we should be good enough pokerplayers around here and acknowledge that $$$ over a single week doesn't say shit about poker ability.
Upswings/downswings/break-even stretches happen, that's just poker.
As for your goal, I don't have a problem with it...I would probably step up in low limit levels as I passed the 20 buy-in marks though, but I don't know if it's a 10NL challenge or a bankroll building quest you're on.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:22 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
You make a good point, Tame, so my goal is now slightly revised! 
From 10NL, I would like to make a total of $250, reducing my initial goal in half. When/if I end up making $250, the bankroll should be ~$700, which is over 20 buyins for the next limit, 25NL, and see where it goes from there.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:36 am GMT by MrDarling
Wait, I'm confused. 10NL means the maximum buyin is $10. Which usually means blinds 0.05/0.10 Right?
any way, if you have BR $450 don't you have more then 20Xbuyin?
What I was saying is that MY problem is that my BR is too small to these levels. Problem is , Fulltilt do not have a smaller level.
In your case I say if you feel comfortable enough and BR allow it - Step it up.
New plan sound like a good one.
Good luck
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:38 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
I do have more than 20 buyins for 10NL, but not enough for 25NL yet.
So yeah, thanks again Mr. D.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:39 am GMT by Nihil75
It's taken me a little over 2 months to turn $50 into about $390 playing NL10 and $5 SNGs. Hopefully that gives you an idea of the timeframe it may take you to make $50 into $250. That being said, NL10 isn't that complicated. You don't really have to mix up your play very much.
edit: 6 tabling... how do you do it man!? I get all out of whack as soon as I get above 4.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:46 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
The tiling feature on Stars really helps me out. It allows me to see all the tables at the same time at an equal size, which PokerTracker and mIRC running the background. Perfect combonation .
As far as the playing goes, I'm rarely deep into a hand on more than 2 tables so it's quite easy to manage.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:53 am GMT by suitedaces84
19 VPIP and 8 PFR is really low for NL. You can probably play a way more hand for a profit especially in unraised pots from LP.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:54 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Thanks, that's some good advice - i'll be sure to play more hands and PF raise more often.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:03 am GMT by Phil14312
I don't really have a clue about NL pokertracker stats, but I was thinking you PFR should be closer to your VPIP, which could probably be a little higher as well.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:07 am GMT by Jefecaminador
Thats usually what happens when you're multitabling, you become a lot tighter with your hand selection and you don't make nearly as many plays. Leaf, I bet if you cut down to playing only two tables at once and paid more attention to the players you could be making the same kind of profit as you would 6 tabling. Plus it would help improve your overall game a lot more. I can't really see you learning too much when you dont have the time to observe and think about whats going on at your table.
Just a suggestion.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:14 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Point taken, Jefe, I may have to experiment with that.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:44 am GMT by UrAteUp
Leafs I can tell you from my own expierence that your goal is reachable. I play at those limits all the time with the exception of a few rare stints into the next higher level. I have managed to build my bankroll up a few times and cash out . I leave enough in and start all over again. I am currently building toward the $250 mark myself . Once I hit it though I am only pulling $50 to put into PS for the THP games. The rest I will leave where I have it and start moving up to the next level ( I am going to miss all the donks who help build my bankroll now...  ).
Jeff is right too when he says you might try dropping down to two tables and play the players and not so much your cards. I single table. More then one just causes me not too pay enough attention to the players and I am more dependant on strong cards (which I still only play only good cards and never trash). It allows you to take advantage of players more when you can concentrate on their play and less on your cards.
Good luck...I know you can reach your goal....
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:48 am GMT by supafrey
| Jefecaminador wrote: | Thats usually what happens when you're multitabling, you become a lot tighter with your hand selection and you don't make nearly as many plays. Leaf, I bet if you cut down to playing only two tables at once and paid more attention to the players you could be making the same kind of profit as you would 6 tabling. Plus it would help improve your overall game a lot more. I can't really see you learning too much when you dont have the time to observe and think about whats going on at your table.
Just a suggestion. |
While I agree that this is definitely a theory worth investigating, it isn't necessarily so. The difference between 2 and 6 tables (obviously) is about 3 times the hourly wage. I doubt Leafs bb/100 would drop three times over just because of the multiple tables - if it doesn't, 6 would still be more profitable per hour. (Duh... I know.)
I'm just saying it's pretty hard to win three times more money on two tables than spreading it out over more tables. It's a pretty easy "experiment" to conduct, atleast.
And about time to observe and improving - hrms.. This is actually a personal question mark for myself as well. I often find that poker players (even ones that have been around for myself) always seem to be playing for some eventual unsaid or uncomtemplated "big game" that they're always practicing towards and improving towards. Short term concessions of $$$, time, effort always seem to be made. Jece said it himself: "It will help improve his overall game" (assuming 10nl wasn't his final resting spot for stakes... cough).
Leafs needs to decide (sorry for referring to you while you can read this.. lol) what his goals are for 10nl. What he's trying to come out of it with, lets say.
Possible choices:
1. Money. Play 6 tables. Check out your bb/100 from different table variations, styles, players, etc and see where you are most profitable. Not what you like, not what you learn.. just profit. If this is bankroll filler treat it as such.
2. Practice and skill. Err.. lower the number of tables, refocus, eliminate distractions. Stay within your bankroll and chalk up any flukes to experience. Focus on the bigger pictures, (whatever that means), and understand that certain lessons NEED to be had. While any loss is a painful one, realize that these early days are just training for higher stakes / different players. Strive to move up and don't worry about nickel and dime fluctuations.
3. Fun and distraction. Err... woo!
I realize I may have rambled a bit. I'm sort of experiencing the same type of question period - just at higher stakes.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:59 am GMT by tame_deuces
Supa, you write damn fine posts when you don't answer with nifty one-liners.
Not that I mind the one-liners, just an observation.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:48 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Supa, you write damn fine posts when you don't answer with nifty one-liners. |
Agreed! Thanks Supa, that's a very well written post to help guide me. I think my main focus at these 10NL tables is to make money seeing as how lucrative they can be. Just curious, if you don't mind me asking, what's your focus at the 100NL and 200NL tables? Do you plan to move up?
But thanks again, I like your BB/100 hands analysis and I'll probably continue to play 6 tables.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:51 pm GMT by Rio
This may sound like a dumb question, but how do you multi-table on PokerParty? Do you just join more than one table from teh lobby?
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:58 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
I'm gonna have to disagree with not being able to triple your win rate by switching to 2 tables. With the amount of donks playing the lower limits all you have to do is find one at your table, wait for the right moment and then stack him. I've multitabled 5 many a time and I've always noticed that I can never get a cheap double up since I can't pick out the huge donks. Only time I ever double is when I have close to the nuts and someone just plays right into me.
I have a feeling that you're folding a lot on what seems like obvious plays, but if you had a better understanding of the people in the pot with you, instead of folding you'd be pushing and doubling up.
5BB/100 is pretty good, but I think you can do a lot better.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:00 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
The thing is, I often do stack people. Just waiting for monsters seems to be going decently so far. And more tables = more stacking, I suppose.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:06 pm GMT by Johny
| Rio wrote: | | This may sound like a dumb question, but how do you multi-table on PokerParty? Do you just join more than one table from teh lobby? |
Yes.
Welcome to the forums by the way.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:07 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Rio wrote: | | This may sound like a dumb question, but how do you multi-table on PokerParty? Do you just join more than one table from teh lobby? |
Yes. Just fire open another table.
Leafs: Your SD% looks very low. 49% means you are paying off waay to many bets on the river. IMO you should be around 65-70% in NL.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:13 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Very true, thanks for that Skribbles.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:46 pm GMT by TxShadow
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | The thing is, I often do stack people. Just waiting for monsters seems to be going decently so far. And more tables = more stacking, I suppose. |
I know what you mean. I've recently started playing $10 NL on Pacific. I don't get tricky, I just play abc poker and try to stack someone when I get my hand. My main computer just crapped out a couple weeks ago and I've been playing on a laptop that is a little to sluggish to do more than 1 table at a time. Man it gets boring if you're card dead  . I haven't even been playing lately because I dread logging on and folding hands for an hour.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:50 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Little bit of an update.
Info given to me has helped, apperantly.
After around 1.5 hours of 6 tabling, here it is:
I'll keep the updates coming - more to come later tonight.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:57 pm GMT by TxShadow
Man, that rake makes you sick, doesn't it? 
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:59 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
lol Yeah, It's sad to know that part of those $46 should be in my posession.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:31 pm GMT by kainARGH
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | lol Yeah, It's sad to know that part of those $46 should be in my posession. |
Just shows how difacult the rake is to overcome 
Also, Tame_ is very correct in that one week - let alone 5000 hands is not nearly enough to gauge how well your doing. It is a good check up point, and you are doing good
Now with your good start, its time to start improving.
Yes I've played 10$ NL - right now ive got $ in UB and $ in pacific, i play NL only at pacific.... those guys are some serious donks.
I also play same as you really, tight and rarely bluff unless the pot is begging to be bluffed at.
Your stats all look about average of a wining - but not by much NL player. Now its just about putting in the hours and again, finding ways to improve. If you ever get into a confusing hand, or wonder if you shuold have payed someone off, save the hand and post it
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:37 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| kainARGH wrote: | | LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | lol Yeah, It's sad to know that part of those $46 should be in my posession. |
If you ever get into a confusing hand, or wonder if you shuold have payed someone off, save the hand and post it |
Will do. I've had a few already but didn't really even think of posting them for some reason, but next one that comes up, will be posted.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:28 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| Rio wrote: | | This may sound like a dumb question, but how do you multi-table on PokerParty? Do you just join more than one table from teh lobby? |
I'm not sure about this but I think you need a real money account to multi-table, this could be your problem.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:08 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Only played 3 tables in this session to try to experiment with less tables. With slightly more concentration on the tables, I was able to pay more attention to the players and make some moves accordingly. I'm not sure about the number of tables I most prefer.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:09 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
The first slump has occured today. 
I 6-tabled for the most part, but not very much seemed to go my way- quite a few bad beats.
More to come later, I guess.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:29 pm GMT by ninetensuited
what site are you doing this on?
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:30 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
PokerStars.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:39 pm GMT by ninetensuited
cool, i might stop by and watch you sometime, im up 6 buyins on .01/.02 NL on UB today....pretty happy about that
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:45 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
You should be. 6 buyins is alot to be up! Great job.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:45 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
You should be. 6 buyins is alot to be up! Great job.
I'm not too entertaining to watch though at 10NL - just being agressive and yelling at people when they suck out on me.
Edit: oops, didn't mean to double post.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:48 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Another smallish session where I got to play with Ryan from THP on one of my tables.
He did better than I did.
My slump continues.
This is getting frustrating. I seem to be playing well, making good moves, but honestly the cards are just really not falling the way they should be. Regardless, I'm going to keep on going. Maybe another session later today but I really need a break right now.
EDIT: I'd just like to add that I reviewed all my worst hands in PT where I was stacked, and most of those times were suckouts from the other player(s), or me simply having the better hand and them outdrawing me. I take this as a good sign.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:51 pm GMT by kainARGH
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | This is getting frustrating. I seem to be playing well, making good moves, but honestly the cards are just really not falling the way they should be. Regardless, I'm going to keep on going. Maybe another session later today but I really need a break right now. |
Welcome to variance
I played 10NL today, lost 10$ on 1 hand - I swear to god these people are such free money its fantastic......when you don't get sucked out on.
4 limpers i have Q5s on the button - limp. BB makes it 3x BB everyone calls, myself included.
flop
8 5 2
BB bets out .45 at a 2$ pot, 4 people call ...... I pause......make it 4$. folds around to some random guy who re-raises to 9$. I call.
Turns over K6o ???????????
Well you can imagine the river card.
I'm doing the refere a friend thing for 150$ soon, ill start playing more but for now that one hurt.
Keep it up though leafs, good play shall winnith!
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:57 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Thanks for the encouragement Kain, and better luck next time on your Q5s hand.
Donks 
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:33 am GMT by MrDarling
Kain ,
No offense but actually your villain made a good read and an ok attempt on a bluff.
Limping on the button is a good tell that you have a week hand - I'm actually surprised you call the BB bet.
BB came out with a continues bet - and you read it right, if anything, all he had was two over cards. But your bet was so big , that it was obvious you didn't want any callers. Villain made a good read of your cards and tried to scare you off the pot.
It didn't work, but seeing your cards he had 7 outs to beat you - I hope I could lay down my hand in your position , but it seems like I can't either.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:11 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Pretty f*cking pissed off now - just played a 20 minute 4 table session and got stacked twice. Once with AA and once with QQ.
I'll post more results tommorow after a session. FFS this is starting to go so badly! :x
That's three retarded sessions in a row. Hoping it's just some horrible variance bullshit luck, and tommorow will be a better day.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:05 am GMT by Ryan_j37
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | Pretty f*cking pissed off now - just played a 20 minute 4 table session and got stacked twice. Once with AA and once with QQ.
I'll post more results tommorow after a session. FFS this is starting to go so badly! :x
That's three retarded sessions in a row. Hoping it's just some horrible variance bullshit luck, and tommorow will be a better day. |
Dont be discouraged man you seem a pretty solid player from what i can tell. Ive had a bit of a downswing myself lately. Dropping from $260 to $220. Oh well guess i just have to keep bringing my A game to the table and let the cards fall where they may.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:50 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Thank you sir, my rant is over.
Poker downswings are always brutal but lately in my short career they affect me the most. Mine at the moment is from $620 down to $410.
So today, I'm just going to rebound with some solid poker, but if I feel as though I'm not playing great and things can be done to improve my results, I'll stop playing til I re-read a few of my Sklansky books.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:18 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Just finished a short session of a single table, worked out pretty well, won a buyin + change.
Not looking great, but hopefully I can build momentum from todays session.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:00 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Quit your damn whinning, get your ass back to the damn tables and win boy win. You got the skill and the talent...now stop wasting it wondering if your good enough to play and just play the damn game.
Remember if you have to decide if your ahead or not then your probably not so don't push.... 
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:03 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Thanks for the pep-talk UAU. 8)
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:06 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | Thanks for the pep-talk UAU. 8) |
Pep talk? Do I look like a damn cheerleader to you son?.... . Just kidding dude. Sometimes we all just need a little slap so to speak to wake us up and make us realize we know this damn game, we just have to deal with variance...aka donks...
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:13 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Hah, yeah the variance is a pain in the ass but the donks...I love the donks. The donks are the reason why this goal is reasonable. And there are so many out there! It truely is great.
What I need to work on is short term anger. If I get outdrawn in a big hand because my opposition made a complete dumbass move, I get pissed (as many people do). The downside to that is usually it leads to tilt. Now tilt for me isn't "okay f*ck this, it's time to go all in with J7h and seek some revenge!" But it's more of an "okay, i'll call the extra bet here, he must be bluffing", or, "I'm going to raise this guy out of the hand because I think he's bluffing."
Either way, it leads to lost BBs, and something I really need to do more often is value bet so get extra BBs here and there.
Thanks again, i'll keep updating.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:22 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | Hah, yeah the variance is a pain in the ass but the donks...I love the donks. The donks are the reason why this goal is reasonable. And there are so many out there! It truely is great.
What I need to work on is short term anger. If I get outdrawn in a big hand because my opposition made a complete dumbass move, I get pissed (as many people do). The downside to that is usually it leads to tilt. Now tilt for me isn't "okay f*ck this, it's time to go all in with J7h and seek some revenge!" But it's more of an "okay, i'll call the extra bet here, he must be bluffing", or, "I'm going to raise this guy out of the hand because I think he's bluffing."
Either way, it leads to lost BBs, and something I really need to do more often is value bet so get extra BBs here and there.
Thanks again, i'll keep updating. |
Dude yes it is so easy to get pissed when the cardss dont go your way. They won't either not all the time. Just got to learn when this happens a time or two to back off. Switch gears or get off the table and go to a different one. If it happens there too then stop and call it done for awhile. Come back later or the next day.
As for getting mad at a donk who hits a miracle hand...type in the chat...nice hand or great play...get them thinking they made the right move...it pays in the long run. Then to yourself say...what a dumb freakin jackass this guy is.... . Then I come back in a later hand and bust his stupid ass for making the same mistake. Get my buyin back and several other chips he got lucky and captured.
Don't let variance get the best of you. Know when to walk away and figure it isn't your night for poker or sit tight and play only premium hands with premium position.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:27 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Great advice. That's truely something that only experience can teach, and cannot be learned from in the poker books I read. I really appreciate the advice, and i'll try hard to implement it in my thought process.
Usually it's hard for me to get up when I'm down I seem to want to play even more to get back my initial money. I think, well, these players seem to be pretty bad, I'm playing well...why leave when I should be able to get the money back?
Understandably, I know this mentality is a bad one and try to shy away from it in future endeavors.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:08 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I'm going to start posting hands that I'm not sure about.
This was a particularly tough one.
PokerStars Game #5633784158: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/07/21 - 17:50:03 (ET)
Table 'Arrakis II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: achen ($8.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Inesiite ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Frizbo66 ($6.90 in chips)
Seat 4: LuckyBudgie ($13.65 in chips)
Seat 5: adrianliu ($10.55 in chips)
Seat 6: sebas6789 ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Kenster76 ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 8: DaDirtyDirty ($6.95 in chips)
Seat 9: LeafsFan1122 ($9.50 in chips)
sebas6789: posts small blind $0.05
Kenster76: posts big blind $0.10
I know 3 out of the 8 players on this table, but unfortunately it's my first time playing with villain (Frizbo)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LeafsFan1122 Q  Q 
DaDirtyDirty: folds
LeafsFan1122: raises $0.30 to $0.40
achen: folds
Inesiite: folds
Frizbo66: calls $0.40
LuckyBudgie: folds
adrianliu: calls $0.40
sebas6789: folds
Kenster76: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** 2 T 5
Kenster76: bets $1
I was already not so sure at this point but fold did not seem like an option, and I certainly didn't want to raise with all those players behind me.
LeafsFan1122: calls $1
Frizbo66: raises $5.50 to $6.50 and is all-in
adrianliu: folds
Kenster76: folds
LeafsFan1122: ??
So... I'm getting around 3:1 to call this guys all in. A set is very possible, considering he only called my PF raise, which means he likley doesn't have KK or AA either.
Other posibilities: Ax or Kx , A Tx
So is this play read-dependant? VS a set, I'm ~45%, VS a made flush I'm practically drawing dead (assuming he has A or K , and VS A Tx, I'm slightly ahead.
This is my analysis thus far - some feedback would be appreciated.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:34 pm GMT by Johny
I reraise Kenster on the flop.
I more than likely call here getting 3-1.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:05 pm GMT by efram
I'd call here as well. Why would anyone bet all of their chips if they flopped the nuts. I think he may have top pair decent kicker and is trying to get you off the hand. I would even think you have a better flush draw than he does.
You'll only find out if you call, but there is a good chance you have the best hand.
If you lose, not too difficult to get that money back.
I would call, this looks like a bluff or semi-bluff to me.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:32 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Had yet another session, this time Johny joined me.
Session ended badly, no surprise.
I'm embarrassed and angered at my results.
I'm stopping indefinately.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:39 pm GMT by Gettin_gone
| UrAteUp wrote: | | LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | Thanks for the pep-talk UAU. 8) |
Pep talk? Do I look like a damn cheerleader to you son?.... |
The voice of the Drill Sergeant in Full Metal Jacket immediately came to mind as I read this.
Posted Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:46 am GMT by kainARGH
| MrDarling wrote: | | Villain made a good read of your cards and tried to scare you off the pot. |
Even so, with half my stack commited....and only k high..... I'm very likly to call I would think im being seen asvery likly to call at least.
Seems a poor time to knock someone off their hand.
but oh well.
Posted Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:13 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
This is the last update I'll produce for a while.
As you can see, my goal has been on a downward spiral for a while, and I'm not going to seriosly try to make more money off of it until I learn more about the game. There are some leaks that need to be covered up.
I'll still probably try an odd session or two just for fun, but it won't be more than 2 tables each.
This little break is probably good, because when I learn more things and start to finally consistantly beat the game, the whole goal will feel so much sweeter to actually accomplish.
Posted Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:32 pm GMT by zinn0
At least pokerstars is winning...
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:15 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
This is quite possibly the most annoying thing I've EVER seen.
This guy, sponger690 at my 10NL has been playing CRAZILY, and yet SO lucky. Raises all in on many hands PF, and just plain recklessness. So I sit back, and plan to trap him when I finally get a good hand.
So then this happens...
PokerStars Game #5698127541: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/07/27 - 07:09:26 (ET)
Table 'Praxedis' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Vumse ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 2: ronswitt ($3.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Prospect48 ($4 in chips)
Seat 4: davidgug ($8.75 in chips)
Seat 5: sponger690 ($44.50 in chips)
Seat 6: strm846 ($3.45 in chips)
Seat 8: LeafsFan1122 ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 9: eri1 ($9.90 in chips)
eri1: posts small blind $0.05
Vumse: posts big blind $0.10
Prospect48: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LeafsFan1122 K K 
Jyco has returned
sponger690 said, "get outta here"
ronswitt: folds
Prospect48: checks
davidgug: calls $0.10
sponger690 said, "callin 2.10 preflop w/ a10"
sponger690 said, "u deserve to lose"
sponger690: raises $9.20 to $9.30
BINGO! YES! This is what I have been waiting for!!
strm846: folds
LeafsFan1122: raises $1.15 to $10.45 and is all-in
eri1: folds
Vumse: folds
Prospect48: folds
davidgug: folds
sponger690: calls $1.15
*** FLOP ***   
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sponger690: shows 7  K (three of a kind, Sevens)
Jyco leaves the table
sponger690 said, "lol"
LeafsFan1122: shows   (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
sponger690 said, "lol"
sponger690 said, "lol"
sponger690 said, "lol"
sponger690 said, "lol"
sponger690 collected $20.20 from pot
sponger690 said, "lol"
LeafsFan1122 said, "..........."
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.25 | Rake $1.05
Board
Seat 1: Vumse (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: ronswitt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Prospect48 folded before Flop
Seat 4: davidgug folded before Flop
Seat 5: sponger690 showed   and won ($20.20) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 6: strm846 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: LeafsFan1122 (button) showed and lost with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 9: eri1 (small blind) folded before Flop
sponger690: lol lol hahahahahah
sponger690: ive bad beat like 4 of u
This has me terribly annoyed, but this guy is on my friends list now. On the flop I was better than 98% to win the hand for f*cks sake!
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:29 am GMT by MrDarling
crap happens. all the time.
but like you said, I want him on my table every time I sit.
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:34 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Just lost another 15$ with KK. All in PF vs AA.
This is obviously slightly less frustrating but I would like to just pull my hair out or punch something really hard right now.
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:56 am GMT by UrAteUp
Calm down buddy and remember you can't win them all. If it gets that frustrating turn the computer off and walk away for a bit. Come back when your head is clear and your emotions in check.
You gonna be one of these guys who gets to the WSOP and cries when you get knocked out are you?...lol
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:09 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
lol No more crying for me, I feel much better now. 8)
As UAU said, I did in fact walk away from the computer, went for a run around my block, took a shower and now I'm fine once again.
Poker is such a crazy game...It's amazing how fast you can go from loving it after winning a whole bunch of money, all the way to total frustration and mind-boggling beats and anger!
But anyways yeah, this is yet just another update in the thread.
And no, I have NOT given up on this goal yet...This is just a minor setback!
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:46 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Leafs when you truely have a grip on this game...you will know...how you ask. Easy, when you get sucked out on and do not loose your composure you have it understood. Not mastered...but understood. Then you type into the chat and say something to the affect of...nice hand dude. Then write the smucks name down because one day he will pay you off.
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