Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:31 am GMT by tame_deuces
All hands are FL, preflop decisions only. I'd like to know what you think is approriate. I've included my reads on the opponents where I have them.
*edit* Stakes are low, 0.5$/1$ - 1$/2$.
Hand 1: 3 handed. BB is TAG (as tag as it gets for 3 handed) but will defend but not with 'ugly' hands, hero is seen as a greedy blindstealer.
Hero in the SB with Q 4
Folds to the blinds, Hero?
Hand 2: Full ring. UTG is tight preflop unimaginative TAG with a range in UTG of about KQo+,99+.
Hero is on the button with AQ.
UTG raises, folds, Hero?
Hand 3: Full ring. Button is not a blindstealer, but his range is fairly wide here. Pretty paint/low pockets and better probably:
Hero is in the BB with A Q
Folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero?
Hand 4:
Full ring. UTG is an 'ace-lover' (limps with bad aces, raises AJo+) and UTG+1 probably limps any facecard/any suited. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with QJ.
UTG limps, UTG+1 calls, Hero?
Hand 5:
Full ring. UTG is the same as in hand 4, typical ace-limper. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with KQ.
UTG limps, UTG+1 folds, Hero?
Hand 6:
Full ring. UTG is the same as in hand 4&5. Will also chase postflop. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with 77.
UTG limps, UTG+1 folds, Hero?
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Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:14 am GMT by supafrey
1. Fold.
2. lol is the right answer here to fold? Personally I could never make that kind of read and i'd probably three bet and try to take his nitty ass down.
3. Raise.
4. call. heh.
5. call. You'll see a huge pot like.. 10 ways.
6. call. Again, you'll see like a million players limp behind you. schooling effect.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:49 am GMT by zinn0
1. Fold
2. Reraise to kick out the blinds.
3. Call
4. Call
5. Raise
6. Call
Bu then again, I pretty much suck.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:51 am GMT by snoogins47
| tame_deuces wrote: | Hand 1: 3 handed. BB is TAG (as tag as it gets for 3 handed) but will defend but not with 'ugly' hands, hero is seen as a greedy blindstealer.
Hero in the SB with Q4
Folds to the blinds, Hero?
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...raises, since his hand will be ugly a lot of the time. Might be edged to a fold depending on how liberally he'll 3-bet you, and his definition of 'ugly'
| Quote: | Hand 2: Full ring. UTG is tight preflop unimaginative TAG with a range in UTG of about KQo+,99+.
Hero is on the button with AQ.
UTG raises, folds, Hero? |
3-bets, because 3-betting is fun. Actually, the raise probably doesn't cost us anything value wise, we should probably get rid of the blinds... we'll find out quickly if he actually has a big pair, and it's nice to win when he has AK and we both miss.
| Quote: | Hand 3: Full ring. Button is not a blindstealer, but his range is fairly wide here. Pretty paint/low pockets and better probably:
Hero is in the BB with AQ
Folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero? |
3-bets again, this time it's less fuzzy. I'll mix things up sometimes and just call here, intending to check-raise most flops, and intending to reconsider that thought if I actually hit something.
| Quote: | Hand 4:
Full ring. UTG is an 'ace-lover' (limps with bad aces, raises AJo+) and UTG+1 probably limps any facecard/any suited. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with QJ.
UTG limps, UTG+1 calls, Hero?
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Raise it up-ski. The usual suspects: value/big pots are fun/dead money/isolate against the shitty players.
| Quote: | Hand 5:
Full ring. UTG is the same as in hand 4, typical ace-limper. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with KQ.
UTG limps, UTG+1 folds, Hero? |
Tricky tricky tricky. I bet he limps with hands that aren't Ax too. I vote raise here.
| Quote: | Hand 6:
Full ring. UTG is the same as in hand 4&5. Will also chase postflop. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with 77.
UTG limps, UTG+1 folds, Hero? |
Pop-it one time.
Apparently I'm a preflop lag. Who would've thought. So, to sum: raise.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:54 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
1. Folding is probably right, though I tend to raise here.
2. 3-bet.
3. Call, with the intention of leading a good flop and getting button to raise out the SB.
4. Probably call.
5. Call.
6. Call. Play for set value.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:09 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
| supafrey wrote: | 1. Fold.
2. lol is the right answer here to fold? Personally I could never make that kind of read and i'd probably three bet and try to take his nitty ass down.
3. Raise.
4. call. heh.
5. call. You'll see a huge pot like.. 10 ways.
6. call. Again, you'll see like a million players limp behind you. schooling effect. |
i'm not sure about the call in 4th example ,
but otherwise i hate to admit i agree with supa :D
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:28 pm GMT by Phil14312
| tame_deuces wrote: |
Hand 1: 3 handed. BB is TAG (as tag as it gets for 3 handed) but will defend but not with 'ugly' hands, hero is seen as a greedy blindstealer.
Hero in the SB with Q4
Folds to the blinds, Hero?
Raise. Queen high is beating an average hand. If he folds more than 50% of the time we see immediate profit. Plus, you will assuredly get action when you do pick up a hand heads up.
Hand 2: Full ring. UTG is tight preflop unimaginative TAG with a range in UTG of about KQo+,99+.
Hero is on the button with AQ.
UTG raises, folds, Hero?
3-bets here but it sucks when he has a big pair, if he makes it 4 bets than we are spewing. If he only calls we got a good chance at this pot.
Hand 3: Full ring. Button is not a blindstealer, but his range is fairly wide here. Pretty paint/low pockets and better probably:
Hero is in the BB with AQ
Folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero?
Raise for equity.
Hand 4:
Full ring. UTG is an 'ace-lover' (limps with bad aces, raises AJo+) and UTG+1 probably limps any facecard/any suited. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with QJ.
UTG limps, UTG+1 calls, Hero?
Raise or call, doesn't matter, probably raise
Hand 5:
Full ring. UTG is the same as in hand 4, typical ace-limper. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with KQ.
UTG limps, UTG+1 folds, Hero?
must raise, iso-ing the fish is a must-do.
Hand 6:
Full ring. UTG is the same as in hand 4&5. Will also chase postflop. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with 77.
UTG limps, UTG+1 folds, Hero?
call, if he will chase postflop you won't get him off his pair on the flop, looking for set value here. |
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:13 pm GMT by crack
I would......
Fold the 1st hand
Raise all the others except the 77, which I would probably limp with.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:48 pm GMT by Aves
same as crack's advice, except the 1st hand. Since BB is TAG, i would raise it.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:57 am GMT by tame_deuces
Thanks guys, nice to get input on stuff like this. 
Hand 1: Raised it, because I wanted that blind.
Result: Got 3 bet (which means a good hand from this guy), called, flopped 3 diamonds w/the king, went aggro on the flop, but it was obvious villain had something, so called down, spiked the flush on the river, donkbet and got called by a set of nines from a very sad face. I run g00t.
Hand 2: Raised it because that AQ looked so sweet. Villain capped, flopped nadas and lost a few bets to fancy play syndrome.
Hand 3: Raised it, i don't remember the result.
Hand 4: Called for multiway, got a pair of queens which very suprisingly was the best hand at the end.
Hand 5: Actually this was my most difficult decision, but I raised...I think UTG got this one w/ a pair of aces.
Hand 6: Raised, don't remember results.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:19 am GMT by tame_deuces
I see the major 'dispute' here seems to be to go multi against passive limpers or raising to isolate them. I usually go for the isolation variant, but haven't stretched it so far as to do it with QJs (figuring if the limper has a relatively 'tight' range I'm not a big favourite against their range). Could be a leak in my postflop play, how aggro will you go against passives in case you a.) Flop nothing b.) Flop a draw c.) Flop a hand that might be best (middlepair g/kicker etc).
I have to admit I have difficulties with a&b, input wanted from both sides...both the multipot players (why call as opposed to raise) & the isolaters (how to attack postflop).
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:52 am GMT by arras
| Phil14312 wrote: | | tame_deuces wrote: |
Hand 1: 3 handed. BB is TAG (as tag as it gets for 3 handed) but will defend but not with 'ugly' hands, hero is seen as a greedy blindstealer.
Hero in the SB with Q4
Folds to the blinds, Hero?
Raise. Queen high is beating an average hand. If he folds more than 50% of the time we see immediate profit. Plus, you will assuredly get action when you do pick up a hand heads up.
Hand 2: Full ring. UTG is tight preflop unimaginative TAG with a range in UTG of about KQo+,99+.
Hero is on the button with AQ.
UTG raises, folds, Hero?
3-bets here but it sucks when he has a big pair, if he makes it 4 bets than we are spewing. If he only calls we got a good chance at this pot.
Hand 3: Full ring. Button is not a blindstealer, but his range is fairly wide here. Pretty paint/low pockets and better probably:
Hero is in the BB with AQ
Folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero?
Raise for equity.
Hand 4:
Full ring. UTG is an 'ace-lover' (limps with bad aces, raises AJo+) and UTG+1 probably limps any facecard/any suited. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with QJ.
UTG limps, UTG+1 calls, Hero?
Raise or call, doesn't matter, probably raise
Hand 5:
Full ring. UTG is the same as in hand 4, typical ace-limper. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with KQ.
UTG limps, UTG+1 folds, Hero?
must raise, iso-ing the fish is a must-do.
Hand 6:
Full ring. UTG is the same as in hand 4&5. Will also chase postflop. Some fairly standard TAGs after me to act.
Hero is UTG+2 with 77.
UTG limps, UTG+1 folds, Hero?
call, if he will chase postflop you won't get him off his pair on the flop, looking for set value here. |
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yep
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:08 am GMT by sinc
You should raise all 6. 1 you can fold thats fine, I dont think the EV is much different either way. Thre rest of the 5 raising is goot. The notion of not raising 77 because the dude wont release a pair post flop is ridiculous. Hes only going to flop a pair like 25% of the time. Take control of all the hands, especially considering the tight/passive images of all these players. In FL aggresion rules the world, always want to be taking control of hands unless against other super aggressives.
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