Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:10 pm GMT by Raisor
I was at my homegame and the river hit so you would need one card for a straight and I made two pair.
He bet and I counted out the chips and started thinking and put my hands on the chips and started to push them slowly and then slide them back quickly trying to get a read and then he turned over his cards and showed me his straight and everyone was helping me saying I never took my hands off the chips, or announced the call.
Am I allowed to do this? Like, tease them?
IMO he should have took my chips, but I don't know if I could do that.
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Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:17 pm GMT by supafrey
Any forward motion with the chips should count as a call. This is called string betting and is illegal for exactly the reasons you said (not to mention the fact that it makes it almost impossible to tell who's doing what if they don't enforce stuff like this). Setting up a rule beforehand on what constitutes a call (i.e. any money past a certain line on the felt) always works better.
Your move is just a lame attempt to get more information. It shouldn't be allowed with those kind of motions.
Posted Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:12 pm GMT by xhi
| Raisor wrote: |
Am I allowed to do this? Like, tease them?
|
Not if he's wearing a six-shooter!
Above answer is correct.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:50 am GMT by Poto
Well, how far did you slide the chips? Was it all the way to the middle or just a tiny bit?
Isn't a string bet when a player i.e. throws a $5 chip into the pot and then throws a $10 chip into the pot after a while.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:07 am GMT by supafrey
| Poto wrote: | Well, how far did you slide the chips? Was it all the way to the middle or just a tiny bit?
Isn't a string bet when a player i.e. throws a $5 chip into the pot and then throws a $10 chip into the pot after a while. |
How's that any different than sliding out $100 and changing it to $0 or less?
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:45 am GMT by Johny
I don't think he actually put his chips in the pot. If he didn't then I think he's allowed to do it, but I don't see the point. I'll do it as a joke if I'm about to fold.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:24 am GMT by Rio
The one thing I have learned is never joke about putting chips in the pot, especially a big pot.
Any action that lead to a suspect pot is a no-no.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:39 am GMT by supafrey
| Johny wrote: | | I don't think he actually put his chips in the pot. If he didn't then I think he's allowed to do it, but I don't see the point. I'll do it as a joke if I'm about to fold. |
How is this not EXACTLY what string betting rules are supposed to stop? The man is making a slow forward motion with his chips, with his eyes on another player for a tell. He then sees something and brings them back.
Forward motion over a line. I'd say he's committed.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:50 am GMT by Johny
| supafrey wrote: | | Forward motion over a line. I'd say he's committed |
I agree but we don't know how far he actually moved his chips.
Also, his opponent shouldn't have turned his hand over so quickly. He should have waited until he was sure of the action.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:51 am GMT by Rio
| Quote: | | He bet and I counted out the chips and started thinking and put my hands on the chips and started to push them slowly and then slide them back quickly trying to get a read |
The last 5 words of that statement clarify what his intentions were. He was pushing them forward to try to get a read.
Posted Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:51 pm GMT by zinn0
At my home games, I have a rule that if you make a motion forward with your chips, they go in the center. I clarify this at the beginning of each game so there is no confusion.
Posted Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:49 pm GMT by martini
| supafrey wrote: | | Any forward motion with the chips should count as a call. |
Not true. I've talked to Bob Ciaffone about this in the past and he has replied that chips must actually be "released" into the pot to count.
In another poker message board, Bob C. was asked about players who take a stack of chips, hover their hands full of chips over the pot and drop a couple and return the rest of the chips in their hand back to their stack. His response:
Rather than wading through all your individual questions, let me say this.
Chips must be released into the pot to be bet. You can have chips in your hand and enter the pot area with them, and release all, some, or none. Speaking personally, it is easier for me to grab a stack of chips and cutsome into the pot then to try to get the amount right ahead of time. A bet is not complete until your hand is withdrawn from the pot. It is legal to drop some chips and then drop some more if you still have your hand in the pot area. On the other hand, someone who is abusing this privilege to try to get a read on the opponents can be cautioned that he is abusing the privilege, and I think it is okay for whoever is running the game to give such a person a warning, then alter the bet (as was done) if he persists.
There is no "betting line" in poker. Even casinos that have tables that have a white line drawn around an oval table do no consider this a betting line.
Whether or not the OP showed bad etiquette or bordered on angle shooting is another story, but his unreleased chips should have been deemed allowable to be brought back.
Posted Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:41 am GMT by galderon
| Raisor wrote: | | He bet and I counted out the chips and started thinking and put my hands on the chips and started to push them slowly and then slide them back quickly trying to get a read and then he turned over his cards and showed me his straight |
Without actually being there, it's hard to say how far you pushed them in and all that...more importantly, your opponent reacted to it by revealing his cards. Either the call was binding or your opponent acted out of turn. Personally I would have ruled it binding. It's hard to argue that pushing chips in is a fold.
As always, it's best to have house rules on this kind of stuff before play.
Posted Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:51 pm GMT by martini
| galderon wrote: | | It's hard to argue that pushing chips in is a fold. |
Of course it's not a fold. But until he lets go of the chips, it's not a call either.
Robert's Rules on Betting and Raising (bolding mine):
A player who bets or calls by releasing chips into the pot is bound by that action and must make the amount of the wager correct.
We can gather that if one doesn't release his chips, he is not bound by any action.
Posted Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:31 pm GMT by Fat Tony
He has not released his chips into the pot so he's OK as far as that goes, but it is also quite clearly angle shooting so I would say that his action is binding unless his game permits this. (which i doubt)
Posted Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:14 pm GMT by martini
| Fat Tony wrote: | | He has not released his chips into the pot so he's OK as far as that goes, but it is also quite clearly angle shooting so I would say that his action is binding unless his game permits this. (which i doubt) |
By definition, angle shooting is not against the rules of poker. If we make rules such as "chips are not binding when not actually released into the pot unless it is determined one is angle shooting", someone would constantly being accused of angle shooting and we would have to make decisions which should never be made, such as if one was angle shooting or not and if their actions are binding or not.
I'm not saying angle shooting is okay with me, if someone seems to be angle shooting he should be warned to knock it off, but if someone falls for the angle shooting, it is their fault for falling for it and a lesson should be learned, but the angle shooter should not penalized, since his actions were technically legal.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:31 am GMT by MasterShake
The rule you quoted is for the purpose of putting chips into the pot. He removed ALL of the chips from the pot which means he should be responsible for AT LEAST a call and possibly the min raise. Direction trumps distance. Just because the Mouth got away with it, doesn't mean it's ok.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:23 am GMT by galderon
| martini wrote: | | galderon wrote: | | It's hard to argue that pushing chips in is a fold. |
Of course it's not a fold. But until he lets go of the chips, it's not a call either. |
I guess that was my point. Either it's a call, or his opponent acted out of turn. Without actually being there, it's hard to say.
He was deliberately trying to appear like he was calling without technically calling. With angle shooting and no defined house rules, that's how fist fights break out.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:48 am GMT by martini
| MasterShake wrote: | | The rule you quoted is for the purpose of putting chips into the pot. |
A rule is a rule. The rule doesn't specify what it's intended for. One can reasonably assume it is also written in a way to let one change his mind before actually being committed to a decision. The rule is, if you don't actually release chips into the pot, you are not committed to calling or raising, period.
| galderon wrote: | | He was deliberately trying to appear like he was calling without technically calling. |
True, but we only know that for sure because the OP admitted to it in this thread.
| galderon wrote: | | With angle shooting and no defined house rules, that's how fist fights break out. |
Agreed. Trying to angle shoot and playing without a written set of house rules is trouble waiting to happen.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:10 pm GMT by Skribbles
| martini wrote: |
There is no "betting line" in poker. Even casinos that have tables that have a white line drawn around an oval table do no consider this a betting line.
|
Every casino I've played at uses a betting line. Once your chips cross it, they are in the pot.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:32 pm GMT by martini
| Skribbles wrote: |
Every casino I've played at uses a betting line. Once your chips cross it, they are in the pot. |
I've played in card rooms all over the U.S. and I have never heard a dealer tell anyone that their chips crossing the line are in the pot or that a line is a betting line. Judging by Robert's Rules, neither has Bob Ciaffone.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:56 pm GMT by MasterShake
| martini wrote: | | Skribbles wrote: |
Every casino I've played at uses a betting line. Once your chips cross it, they are in the pot. |
I've played in card rooms all over the U.S. and I have never heard a dealer tell anyone that their chips crossing the line are in the pot or that a line is a betting line. Judging by Robert's Rules, neither has Bob Ciaffone. |
I just looked through the rules. It does mention the forward motion rule applies to limit but doesn't specify for Pot or No Limit, so in that regard it looks like you're correct. But there's also this rule under etiquette that gives the TD free reign to make a warning, penalty or DQ IF it is deemed appropriate.
Making statements or taking action that could unfairly influence the course of play, whether or not the offender is involved in the pot.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:13 pm GMT by martini
| MasterShake wrote: |
I just looked through the rules. It does mention the forward motion rule applies to limit but doesn't specify for Pot or No Limit, so in that regard it looks like you're correct. |
I asked Bob C. in the past about this and also asked him about his use of the word "may". Here are the questions as I worded them and his answers (just in case anyone's interested):
I noticed in your rulebook that it says this: "In limit poker, if you make a forward motion with chips and thus cause another player to act, you may be forced to complete your action." You used the word "may". What circumstances determine when a forward motion with chips will be deemed binding when it causes another player to act?
Generally, when the word “may” is used in poker rules, it gives the floor an option, which is usually to issue a warning the first time and enforce the statute the second time.
Why do you specify "In limit poker"? Why not the same rule for no-limit?
Partly a different culture, but the main reason is that the amount is not fixed, so how many chips will you make him bet? Certainly not all in his hand, as many players, myself included, find it easier to grab a stack, cut the appropriate wager into the pot, and come back with the leftover chips.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:26 pm GMT by martini
| MasterShake wrote: | But there's also this rule under etiquette that gives the TD free reign to make a warning, penalty or DQ IF it is deemed appropriate.
Making statements or taking action that could unfairly influence the course of play, whether or not the offender is involved in the pot. |
Yes, but I think rules that give the TD free reign to make these type of decisions are for situations that aren't clearly defined in the rulebook. The situation of unreleased chips not being committed to the pot is clearly defined.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:45 pm GMT by supafrey
I've played in several poker rooms with betting lines.
At Niagara and Fallsview they both also said forward motion of chips counted as a call ATLEAST.
Hypothetical Situation
You start by picking up a large stack of chips and floating them over the playing area where all your other bets have been - then dropping one or two at a time while slowly watching your opponents reaction with every chip drop, say "I will ca- ca- rai- rai- rai-". Then pause for a second, hold your arm in the air over what you've dropped. Drop one more chip for effect. Make a "HA!" noise. Drop one more chip. Say "GOTCHA!"...
Then pull back the rest of the chips you are holding.
Is this a string bet?
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:12 pm GMT by martini
| supafrey wrote: |
Is this a string bet? |
Your hypothetical situation is rather extreme. There are several ways to act like a total jerk while playing the poker table and this of course would be one of them. To answer your question, "is this a string bet?" directly, no, it isn't. Quoting Bob Ciaffone:
| Quote: | | It is legal to drop some chips and then drop some more if you still have your hand in the pot area. |
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:25 pm GMT by MasterShake
| martini wrote: | | MasterShake wrote: | But there's also this rule under etiquette that gives the TD free reign to make a warning, penalty or DQ IF it is deemed appropriate.
Making statements or taking action that could unfairly influence the course of play, whether or not the offender is involved in the pot. |
Yes, but I think rules that give the TD free reign to make these type of decisions are for situations that aren't clearly defined in the rulebook. The situation of unreleased chips not being committed to the pot is clearly defined. |
The act of how many chips you drop is clearly not defined, but not the act of removing your hand with all chips still in your hand (Such as in the OP) is not.
If the Original Poster had left in a call or a raise and pulled the rest of his chips back, I would agree, but he pulled ALL of his chips back and admitted to angle shooting. In addition, the opponent should have waited to see if the player had called or raised and acted out of turn. Both players in my opinion made a mistake here. If I were running the game, I would have warned the opponent for turning his hand over early (unless the OP clearly had the exact amount needed for a call in his hand) and I would have warned the OP not to do it again or he'd get a penalty.
EDIT: And I would have treated the stack of chips as a single chip, making the OP call the bet.
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:36 pm GMT by martini
| MasterShake wrote: |
The act of how many chips you drop is clearly not defined, but not the act of removing your hand with all chips still in your hand (Such as in the OP) is not. |
But the rules would have to clearly state that some chips must be dropped; they do not. Since all they do state is that unreleased chips are not bound to be bet, we can not force someone to bet unreleased chips.
| MasterShake wrote: | | If I were running the game, I would have warned the opponent for turning his hand over early (unless the OP clearly had the exact amount needed for a call in his hand) and I would have warned the OP not to do it again or he'd get a penalty. |
I would do the same (but only because the OP made it obvious what he was up to. If it seemed that he genuinely changed his mind about betting, a warning isn't necessary IMHO).
Posted Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:17 pm GMT by Fat Tony
I think you have to least give a warning regardless of whether or not he genuinely changed his mind or not or else you could have others trying to see how far over the line they can go. The example must be set that kind of action is NOT acceptable.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:24 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I've seen dealers in every casino I've played make a comment to at least one player at the table during one session or another regarding "string betting". They stated that you must keep you chips behind your cards or they are in play as a call/raise. Behind your cards, you can do whatever you'd like with your chips as long as you don't make a verbal declaration. However, once you slide them past your cards and/or state your intention aloud, the bet is binding. This rule makes all this arguing unnecessary.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:48 pm GMT by martini
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | I've seen dealers in every casino I've played make a comment to at least one player at the table during one session or another regarding "string betting". They stated that you must keep you chips behind your cards or they are in play as a call/raise. |
This has nothing to do with string betting.
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Behind your cards, you can do whatever you'd like with your chips as long as you don't make a verbal declaration. However, once you slide them past your cards and/or state your intention aloud, the bet is binding. This rule makes all this arguing unnecessary. |
Not when the chips are unreleased. Again, this is clearly stated in Robert's Rules. There is no way that in every casino you've played in won't let you carry a stack of chips over the pot, drop in a few, and bring the rest back. When people come here asking for rulings, we generally all agree here that Robert's Rules are the gold standard. Giving anecdotal evidence and saying "this makes all this arguing unnecessary" doesn't cut it.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:54 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| martini wrote: | | We're talking about unreleased chips, not chips that are released beyond your hole cards. |
I read the thread...all 3 pages of it.
If the chips are pushed beyond your cards they are bet whether you released them or not. Hit your local B&M and ask any dealer. I'm not saying they're all extremely stringent on the matter, but that's the general rule.
Now, if the chips are not on the table (in your hand, not "being slid" as the OP stated), then that is a different issue all together and the bet isn't solid until the chips have been released onto the table. Once any chips in the hand hit the table, beyond the player's cards, this is at least a call though.
| martini wrote: | | Giving anecdotal evidence and saying "this makes all this arguing unnecessary" doesn't cut it. |
Geting catty when someone doesn't agree with you doesn't cut it either, honey. I was stating the rules according to every casino in which I've played.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:58 pm GMT by martini
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | the bet isn't solid until the chips have been released onto the table. |
Correct- released.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:04 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Agreed in the instance that they are not touching the table and are in the player's hands.
I was referring to the OP that commented about the guy sliding his chips back & forth. This is a bet if the chips are "slid" past his cards.
I must've misunderstood your post. I was reading it and doing 15 other things at once (as usual). I was under the impression that you were saying that even though he pushed his chips out, since he didn't "release" them, it wasn't a bet. I missed the part of the chips being in the hand and not on the table.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:07 pm GMT by martini
| BeerWench13 wrote: |
Geting catty when someone doesn't agree with you doesn't cut it either, honey. I was stating the rules according to every casino in which I've played. |
I'm not getting catty, sweetheart. I highly doubt you know such rules at every casino at which you've played, especially when you say that they are not "extremely stringent on the matter". How do you know what the official rules are at every casino you've ever played at?
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:09 pm GMT by martini
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | I missed the part of the chips being in the hand and not on the table. |
I'm also talking about chips touching the table, yet still in the players hand.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:27 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| martini wrote: | | How do you know what the official rules are at every casino you've ever played at? |
At one point or another, I've seen a dealer call out a player for a string bet. I've also seen a player push chips in front of his cards and then try to muck and the dealer state that the bet was all-in. I've played in only 4 casinos to date and in each I have seen some form of string betting and the dealer make the call. I've also seen string betting called out by a player in the hand (once was by me) and the dealer back the string bet rule. I've not played in hundreds of casinos, but in all that I've played, there has been a ruling regarding the string bet that once the chips are on the table in front of the cards, it is considered a bet.
When I said that not all are stringent, I saw a player counting chips in front of his cards before he made a move and the dealer gave him a warning that if he counts his chips in front of his cards, then it's considered a bet. The player instantly moved his cards in front of his chips and continued with the hand.
| martini wrote: | | I'm also talking about chips touching the table, yet still in the players hand. |
IMO, and in all the games I've played, casino and otherwise, this is at the very least a call. Once you put your hand out onto the table in front of your cards with chips in it and place any chips on the table, you are making some sort of bet. The option to raise is still there as long as the player has enough chips in their hand to do so.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:41 pm GMT by martini
| BeerWench13 wrote: |
At one point or another, I've seen a dealer call out a player for a string bet. |
Sure, so have I. Wanting to not bet unreleased chips has nothing to do with string betting though.
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | I've also seen a player push chips in front of his cards and then try to muck and the dealer state that the bet was all-in. |
I can see that happening. But I'm assuming that these chips were no longer in his hand, right?
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | I've not played in hundreds of casinos, but in all that I've played, there has been a ruling regarding the string bet that once the chips are on the table in front of the cards, it is considered a bet. |
I think you may have the wrong idea of what a string bet is. A string bet is when you put chips into the pot in one motion and try to put in more in another.
Even if a dealer makes you bet chips that are beyond your cards, that's a seperate issue from what is being discussed in this thread, because chips on the table in front of your cards have been released.
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | When I said that not all are stringent, I saw a player counting chips in front of his cards before he made a move and the dealer gave him a warning that if he counts his chips in front of his cards, then it's considered a bet. |
Right. Because he's not counting chips and leaving them in his hand, he's dropping (releasing) them on the table.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:44 pm GMT by supafrey
If the eye in the sky saw you push your chips in, but possibly keep contact with them, and then pull them back...
What do you think they'd rule?
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:51 pm GMT by martini
| supafrey wrote: | If the eye in the sky saw you push your chips in, but possibly keep contact with them, and then pull them back...
What do you think they'd rule? |
Are you waiting for me to give a different answer? I can't even count how many times I've seen casinos rule one way one night and another way the next night. I'm going by Robert's Rules right now and what I've seen with years of personal experience playing in casinos. I've never seen a dealer tell someone that they must bet unreleased chips.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:08 pm GMT by BeerWench13
If I were to put my hand forward with chips in them, set the chips on the table without releasing them and then pull them away, do I not have to bet anything? If you've bet $20 and I hold $100 in my hand and put them out there but don't "release" them, then it's not a bet? If they touch the table in front of my cards I can just say "Oh, nevermind, I fold."?
Perhaps where you play, this would be legal, but not in any of the games in which I play. Not without there being a huge uproar by players at the table who have played for any period of time.
I am aware of what the term "string bet" is, I didn't realize we were arguing semantics too. However, thank you for clarifying for me. After all, I'm such a noob. I bow to your infinite wisdom and experience. I refuse to argue with you when you're obviously not going to change your mind. I can say that it would not be legal in any game in which I have ever played and, if a ruling was called, it would be considered a call at the very least. JME. Again, I have not the obvious experience that you seem to have in casinos all over the US.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:21 pm GMT by martini
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | If I were to put my hand forward with chips in them, set the chips on the table without releasing them and then pull them away, do I not have to bet anything? If you've bet $20 and I hold $100 in my hand and put them out there but don't "release" them, then it's not a bet? If they touch the table in front of my cards I can just say "Oh, nevermind, I fold."? |
I quoted Robert's Rules and Bob Ciaffone's own words on the matter. If that's not good enough for you, that's cool with me. I'm trying to answer the question for the OP and for others that would like the answer based on something substantial, not hearsay.
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | I am aware of what the term "string bet" is, I didn't realize we were arguing semantics too. However, thank you for clarifying for me. After all, I'm such a noob. I bow to your infinite wisdom and experience. |
Get a grip. Look over the the portions of this thread where you mention string betting and it's obvious why it seems you don't know what it means. Forgive me for trying to help you out; your ego obviously can't take it.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:43 pm GMT by BeerWench13
You're arguing how you interpret the rule. You're more than welcome to your opinion. I refuse to argue with you and allow you to try to put me down to make your argument seem stronger.
IMO, putting chips out and pulling them back is in no way different, as far as ruling is concerned, from string betting. Isn't the rule of string betting set so that players cannot put in more and more chips and or take back chips based on their opponents reactions? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but I find both actions to be related, though, admittedly, not identical. Thus, I used the term string betting for lack of better terminology. Please feel free to give me the proper term for attempting to retract your chips after they have been bet.
Try this in a casino, since you frequent them more regularly than I do, and let me know what the ruling is. I am truly curious now. I would hate to think of all the money on the table in games that I play regularly that I could use this action to gain more knowledge on my opponents hands. Thanks.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:13 pm GMT by martini
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | You're arguing how you interpret the rule. |
No, I'm not. I'm stating the rule and what Bob Ciaffone said through emails. I wasn't aware that anyone had a different interpretation. What rules or words from Bob C. are you interpretting differently?
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | I refuse to argue with you and allow you to try to put me down to make your argument seem stronger. |
I don't need to put you down to get my argument across and I never did that. Where did I put you down that wasn't a direct rebuttal from a put down or sarcastic remark that you gave me? If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Isn't the rule of string betting set so that players cannot put in more and more chips and or take back chips based on their opponents reactions? |
You're correct on the first half of that statement and incorrect on the second half. It has nothing to do with taking chips back. Before you tell me that I'm being technical or paying attention to semantics, keep in mind that I'm just answering your question.
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Try this in a casino, since you frequent them more regularly than I do, and let me know what the ruling is. I am truly curious now. I would hate to think of all the money on the table in games that I play regularly that I could use this action to gain more knowledge on my opponents hands. Thanks. |
Remember when you said you thought I was talking about sliding chips on the table? I'm assuming that you at least agree that if your chips are held over the pot and unreleased, you can take them back, correct? Do you think that even though it's a legal move, you're going to get away with doing this while looking around for reactions? Angle shooting doesn't cut it, whether the chips are in your hand in the air or on the table.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:52 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I'm drunk, but all I have to say is "MEOW"
I'm done arguing with you. I've stated how it would go in the legit games I play & how I've seen it portrayed in a casino. If you're still going to argue, you're welcome to talk to yourself. It's not worth arguing when my point is going to be ignored.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:56 pm GMT by supafrey
meow is right. separate, ladies.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:50 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I love you, supa. 
I've missed you guys. How was Europe? Pip Pip
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:41 am GMT by BeerWench13
Okay, martini. Yesterday was not a good day and I was a bit more brusque than normal. I have a few friends working on the ruling in this particular case (they're poker geeks with nothing better to do) and the question is intriguing. Though we all came to the same conclusion, they're looking for a definitive ruling on the matter.
I didn't mean to be rude though. That's not normally in my nature. However, taking it out here did save at least one of my co-workers from an extremely slow and painful death. 
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:33 am GMT by groton
well I Know at Foxwoods its a call/bet when your chips go pass your cards.
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:42 am GMT by Raisor
This turned into a nice discussion o.o
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:42 am GMT by groton
| martini wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | If the eye in the sky saw you push your chips in, but possibly keep contact with them, and then pull them back...
What do you think they'd rule? |
Are you waiting for me to give a different answer? I can't even count how many times I've seen casinos rule one way one night and another way the next night. I'm going by Robert's Rules right now and what I've seen with years of personal experience playing in casinos. I've never seen a dealer tell someone that they must bet unreleased chips. |
I did Just this last Mounth at Foxwoods three times.
with Three Difrent people three difrent Days three difrent FM's
If The Chips are on the Table in front of your Cards its a Call/Bet.
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:39 pm GMT by Geno
I read about two lines of this but I see there was a pissing contest in the middle. End it now or the thread is locked. That is all.
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:01 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Pissing contest has been over as of this morning. At least on my end.
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:32 pm GMT by MasterShake
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Pissing contest has been over as of this morning. At least on my end. |
Are we going for distance or volume? I think I could beat any girl for distance, but you drink more beer than me os you might have me on the volume. Maybe we could come up with a third option and have a Urinary Triathlon.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:24 pm GMT by Loonbat
Just read this fun thread and what you're referring to is the "forward motion" rule ... some casinos have it and others don't. This is also the case in tournaments (may or may not apply)... actually may be different ruling than in their cash games too, which is odd. Most casinos have it stated whether a forward motion rule is in place.
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