Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:44 pm GMT by StarlightCoast
My reasoning behind this one was UTG entered this hand with only $7.50 on the table. A-10 is by no means a monster but UTG only limped and I felt a raise here was proper. I was trying to get the BB out of this hand and then be able to put UTG all-in. If this was all the money he had he may be leary of going the distance. I admit I was trying to bully him, even at a limit game this is sometimes possible, but you don't run into the situation all that much. The continuation bet on the flop was proper, but with both calling perhaps the better play on the turn would have been to check and give it up if either of them bet, but my thinking was I have the gutshot draw and overcard and of course being the preflop raiser I wanted to advertise that I had AQ mininum although the truth was far different. Still not sure if my play on this was correct. If I had limped and then folded the flop I could have saved a few bets.
PokerStars 1/2 Limit Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)
Preflop: Hero is SB with T  , A  .
UTG calls, 7 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop: (6 SB) 2  , Q , J (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.
Turn: (4.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.
River: (7.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero folds.
Final Pot: 9.50 BB
Results in white below:
BB has 5h Qd (one pair, queens).
UTG has Ah Kh (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins 9.50 BB.
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Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:03 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I think the board is too coordinated to take a stab at it past the flop. With straight and flush draws on board, you have very few clean outs.
I'd disagree with your analysis of the small stack UTG. I don't mind the raise if you think you have the best hand, but bullying shorties in limit poker almost never works. It's been my experience that a lot of these players become much more loose-passive/loose-aggressive the shorter they get, but they almost never ever fold with only a few bets left in their stack once they've entered a pot.
I tend to complete more often than raise in these situations. Even if you do raise, the BB is getting an implied 5:1 anyway and will have a pretty wide hand range the times he calls.
Posted Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:15 pm GMT by snoogins47
Preflop, I like the raise, but Sean has a point and it's probably pretty close. I'm one of those "When it's kinda close, raise" sorts generally. Random guessing and laziness make me guess we're probably anywhere from a small dog to a small favorite against UTG's range here, and dead money is nice, but position sucks. Given how wide of a range BB might call with, we might actually have more of an edge 3handed, I dunno.
Flop bet is a given
Turn is tricky, but I don't like the bet. It's feasible that we're ahead here at least some of the time, couple outs, blah blah... Fold equity is practically nonexistant. This spot is an excellent example of those little buggers: reverse implied odds. If we bet and get it heads up, and a brick comes on the river, we (reasonably) often spew another bet on the river, whether it be by check-calling or betting, since there's already ~7BB in the pot and about eight million draws that could have missed. If we improve, we're likely gonna collect a bet, sometimes two, when it gives us the best hand. We're losing 2+ when we improve to second best, which happens at least somewhat frequently. I check-fold the turn here.
Sean's point about short stacks is an interesting one, and from my experience extremely accurate. I wrote something on it once, I think, but who knows if I can dig it up.
Regardless, save bullying short stacks for tournaments. The shorties in tournaments are often doing everything they can to survive: the shorties in cash games generally are doing everything they can to get their chips to the middle of the table.
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