Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:55 am GMT by misterjokerboy
Hi guys,
Just wanted your opinions on this hand to see what you would do. No real read on the player, except that he is quite aggressive after the flop.
Will post the results later
Thanks
PokerStars Game #5688197889: Tournament #28783119, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/07/26 - 12:25:23 (ET)
Table '28783119 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: beerman25 (900 in chips)
Seat 2: mjb2006 (4290 in chips)
Seat 3: helmuthclone (2055 in chips)
Seat 4: brnxbmbr015 (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: fenners8 (2460 in chips)
Seat 6: duke48 (1310 in chips)
Seat 8: BenBluffs (1370 in chips)
Seat 10: popborteye99 (1195 in chips)
mjb2006: posts small blind 50
helmuthclone: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mjb2006  
brnxbmbr015: raises 200 to 300
BenBluffs said, "nh"
mjb2006 said, "ty"
fenners8 has timed out
fenners8: folds
fenners8 is sitting out
duke48: folds
BenBluffs: folds
popborteye99: folds
beerman25: folds
mjb2006: calls 250
helmuthclone: folds
*** FLOP ***   
fenners8 has returned
mjb2006: bets 400
brnxbmbr015: raises 720 to 1120 and is all-in
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Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:06 pm GMT by UrAteUp
No read on this player at all and a flop like that, your best to lay it down and watch this guy carefully. Chances are he either has  , 10X , 77 or a larger PP. Unless your certain your not beat in a situation like this it is best to lay it down and wait for a better hand and better position IMO.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:55 pm GMT by Skribbles
What hand is worthy of a UTG raise with a ten in it??? ATs? Even most donks don't raise that up.
Good push. Only thing you need to worry about is AA, KK or QQ. I'd take my chances though.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:30 pm GMT by KingOHearts
| Skribbles wrote: | | Good push. |
...except OP is the pushee, not the pusher.
Lets see, if I read everything correctly there is 700 in the pot before the flop. You are chip leader at 4290 before the hand starts, with villian at 1420.
Post flop you bet a little more than 1/2 pot and villian pushes. 2220 in the pot and 720 for you to call, so you're getting 3:1 on your money. If you lose you are at 2920 chips so still chip leader. And what hands do you fear here? Tx TT 77 AA KK QQ are all that you are losing to here. I discount 77 and Tx due to the preflop action, and maybe TT as well. AKs or AQs are possibles if someone is in the mood to push with a drawing hand, but I would think the pair on the board would discourage an intelligent player from doing that.
So...you are getting 3:1, there are only a few hands that beat you now, and if you lose you are still chip leader and you have a chance to thin the field by one, and have a dominating stack to boot. I call.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:33 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Considering stack sizes, I think this is an easy call.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:34 pm GMT by zinn0
I think with your stack size, you have to call the push. Also, why no reraise preflop? Use that bigstack!
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:36 pm GMT by KingOHearts
| zinn0 wrote: | | Also, why no reraise preflop? Use that bigstack! |
Quoted for truth.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:38 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| KingOHearts wrote: | | zinn0 wrote: | | Also, why no reraise preflop? Use that bigstack! |
Quoted for truth. |
Yeah, I actually would have just put him in pre-flop.
But his range is so wide on the flop that you have to call.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:55 pm GMT by misterjokerboy
Thanks for the replies guys. To be honest I'm not sure why I didn't re-raise pre-flop. Anyway here's the outcome:
I also felt with my stack size I had to call, it's nice to know that most of you think it was the correct move.
PokerStars Game #5688197889: Tournament #28783119, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/07/26 - 12:25:23 (ET)
Table '28783119 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: beerman25 (900 in chips)
Seat 2: mjb2006 (4290 in chips)
Seat 3: helmuthclone (2055 in chips)
Seat 4: brnxbmbr015 (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: fenners8 (2460 in chips)
Seat 6: duke48 (1310 in chips)
Seat 8: BenBluffs (1370 in chips)
Seat 10: popborteye99 (1195 in chips)
mjb2006: posts small blind 50
helmuthclone: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mjb2006
brnxbmbr015: raises 200 to 300
BenBluffs said, "nh"
mjb2006 said, "ty"
fenners8 has timed out
fenners8: folds
fenners8 is sitting out
duke48: folds
BenBluffs: folds
popborteye99: folds
beerman25: folds
mjb2006: calls 250
helmuthclone: folds
*** FLOP ***
fenners8 has returned
mjb2006: bets 400
brnxbmbr015: raises 720 to 1120 and is all-in
mjb2006: calls 720
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mjb2006: shows (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
brnxbmbr015: shows   (a pair of Tens)
brnxbmbr015 is sitting out
mjb2006 collected 2940 from pot*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2940 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: beerman25 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mjb2006 (small blind) showed and won (2940) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 3: helmuthclone (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: brnxbmbr015 showed and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 5: fenners8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: duke48 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: BenBluffs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: popborteye99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:24 pm GMT by Phil14312
I play it exactly the same way, except, depending on the player, moving in preflop. Sucks you were actually a slight dog after the flop 
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:42 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Skribbles wrote: |
What hand is worthy of a UTG raise with a ten in it??? ATs? Even most donks don't raise that up.
Good push. Only thing you need to worry about is AA, KK or QQ. I'd take my chances though. |
910s for some is worthy of a raise...especially if a player is LAG.
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:49 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Skribbles wrote: |
What hand is worthy of a UTG raise with a ten in it??? ATs? Even most donks don't raise that up.
Good push. Only thing you need to worry about is AA, KK or QQ. I'd take my chances though. |
910s for some is worthy of a raise...especially if a player is LAG. |
With the player's M (less than 10), raising with T9s is nothing short of a colossal mistake, but I suppose it is possible. However, he is much more likely to be holding any number of high card hands or mid pocket pairs (although just raising a modest amount with a mid pocket pair is a mistake here, too).
Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:04 pm GMT by Jauron
Curious play preflop, I have to assume you were slow playing it, given that and his stack it's an easy call.
No read on the player and knowing you have to play the pot out of position I'd hate smooth call preflop myself, but IF I DID, I'd be calling every time on that flop and if he shows me a 10 I take myself out behind the woodshed. 
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