Long Post: My 1st Freeroll - Feedback! |
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Posted Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:06 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
Well this is going to be a long post but I'd love some feedback. I've been 'playing' poker for probably a year but have never really put the effort into learning How to play. I knew the basic rules to success but never studied the game or focused when I played (I'd make dumb calls not knowing they were dumb). Well, I just recently decided to make the effort and tonight I played in my first Freeroll over at Doyle's. I'm going to post a few hands (using Doyle's summary, sorry) and I'll post info about it below and if you guys could, I'd love some feedback. I'd appreciate feedback on my good/bad moves and whether my bet amounts looked good.
I'll give you the rundown of my placing at the end.
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 1 : crazykate has $3,340
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 2 : Resiteanu has $1,710
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 3 : thepac has $3,780
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 4 : esilv03 has $4,680
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 5 : johnie100 has $1,700
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 6 : poeraven13 has $3,290
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 7 : AndreReed83 has $1,700
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 8 : redbastard has $6,080
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 9 : drunkey has $1,700
Jul 26 21:22:53 : crazykate is the dealer.
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Resiteanu posted small blind.
Jul 26 21:22:53 : thepac posted big blind.
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Game 36 started with 9 players.
Jul 26 21:22:53 : Seat 3 : thepac has Kc Ks
Jul 26 21:22:56 : esilv03 called 60
Jul 26 21:22:56 : johnie100 folded.
Jul 26 21:22:58 : poeraven13 folded.
Jul 26 21:22:58 : AndreReed83 folded.
Jul 26 21:23:00 : redbastard folded.
Jul 26 21:23:00 : drunkey folded.
Jul 26 21:23:07 : crazykate folded.
Jul 26 21:23:07 : Resiteanu did not respond and is folded
Jul 26 21:23:14 : thepac raised 90
Jul 26 21:23:17 : esilv03 called 90
Jul 26 21:23:17 : Board cards   
Jul 26 21:23:23 : thepac bet 150
Jul 26 21:23:25 : esilv03 called 150
Jul 26 21:23:26 : Board cards 
Jul 26 21:23:32 : thepac bet 250
Jul 26 21:23:33 : esilv03 called 250
Jul 26 21:23:34 : Board cards 
Jul 26 21:23:36 : thepac checked.
Jul 26 21:23:39 : esilv03 bet 960
Jul 26 21:23:52 : thepac called 960 and raised 2,270 and is All-in
Jul 26 21:24:07 : esilv03 has 10 seconds to respond.
Jul 26 21:24:08 : esilv03 folded.
Jul 26 21:24:09 : thepac wins 3,050 as the last player standing
Did I play this too agressively? He called my preflop raise so I assumed he got nothing of that or had 77 or 66 but I strongly doubted it. AA he would've reraised I'd like to hope. I started betting into him and I was a little wary of his calling, but he seemed to be chasing and making calls with moderate hands earlier so I decided that he was either on a draw or he was simply calling to make a push at the river. How was this hand?
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 1 : MlKE has $17,280
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 2 : Gregory78 has $7,460
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 3 : larrybrown1 has $25,545
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 4 : georgie927 has $24,470
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 5 : swing_oil has $17,860
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 6 : thepac has $16,940
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 7 : camperfan has $2,220
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 8 : shmily99 has $5,595
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 9 : cowboy-love has $11,595
Jul 26 22:24:31 : shmily99 is the dealer.
Jul 26 22:24:31 : cowboy-love posted small blind.
Jul 26 22:24:31 : MlKE posted big blind.
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Game 97 started with 9 players.
Jul 26 22:24:31 : Seat 6 : thepac has As Kd
Jul 26 22:24:34 : Gregory78 folded.
Jul 26 22:24:38 : larrybrown1 called 600
Jul 26 22:24:38 : georgie927 folded.
Jul 26 22:24:41 : swing_oil folded.
Jul 26 22:24:48 : thepac called 600 and raised 2,400
Jul 26 22:24:50 : camperfan folded.
Jul 26 22:24:51 : shmily99 folded.
Jul 26 22:24:51 : cowboy-love did not respond and is folded
Jul 26 22:24:55 : MlKE folded.
Jul 26 22:24:56 : larrybrown1 called 2,400
Jul 26 22:24:56 : Board cards   
Jul 26 22:25:02 : larrybrown1 checked.
Jul 26 22:25:07 : thepac bet 3,500
Jul 26 22:25:09 : larrybrown1 called 3,500
Jul 26 22:25:10 : Board cards 
Jul 26 22:25:12 : larrybrown1 checked.
Jul 26 22:25:27 : thepac has 10 seconds to respond.
Jul 26 22:25:30 : thepac bet 10,440 and is All-in
Jul 26 22:25:32 : larrybrown1 called 10,440
Jul 26 22:25:32 : Seat 6 : thepac has As Kd
Jul 26 22:25:34 : Seat 3 : larrybrown1 has 6d Ad
Jul 26 22:25:34 : Seat 6 : thepac has As Kd
Jul 26 22:25:39 : Board cards 
Jul 26 22:25:39 : Seat 6 : thepac has As Kd
Jul 26 22:25:39 : thepac has Pair: Aces
Jul 26 22:25:39 : Seat 3 : larrybrown1 has 6d Ad
Jul 26 22:25:39 : larrybrown1 has Pair: Aces
Jul 26 22:25:39 : thepac wins 34,780 with Pair: Aces
Here I was obviously afraid of the flush draw and decided if he wanted to see that last card he'd have to pay for it. I didn't expect his hand to be so weak but again, was I over-agressive?
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Seat 1 : MlKE has $73,950
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Seat 2 : Mean847 has $50,415
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Seat 3 : friendly135 has $65,230
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Seat 6 : thepac has $34,580
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Seat 7 : GotEmOrBluf has $114,270
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Seat 8 : MACO1020 has $21,750
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Seat 9 : okiebogenob has $12,910
Jul 26 23:12:27 : thepac is the dealer.
Jul 26 23:12:27 : GotEmOrBluf posted small blind.
Jul 26 23:12:27 : MACO1020 posted big blind.
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Game 161 started with 7 players.
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Dealing Hole Cards.
Jul 26 23:12:27 : Seat 6 : thepac has 4c 4s
Jul 26 23:12:27 : okiebogenob folded.
Jul 26 23:12:31 : MlKE folded.
Jul 26 23:12:32 : Mean847 called 2,400
Jul 26 23:12:33 : friendly135 folded.
Jul 26 23:12:39 : Hooks_1 : i don't believe that
Jul 26 23:12:42 : thepac called 2,400 and raised 4,800
Jul 26 23:12:44 : GotEmOrBluf called 6,000
Jul 26 23:12:46 : MACO1020 folded.
Jul 26 23:12:46 : Mean847 folded.
Jul 26 23:12:47 : Board cards  
Jul 26 23:12:49 : GotEmOrBluf checked.
Jul 26 23:13:03 : thepac bet 5,000
Jul 26 23:13:04 : GotEmOrBluf called 5,000
Jul 26 23:13:05 : Board cards 
Jul 26 23:13:11 : GotEmOrBluf checked.
Jul 26 23:13:19 : thepac checked.
Jul 26 23:13:20 : Board cards
Jul 26 23:13:23 : GotEmOrBluf bet 4,800
Jul 26 23:13:37 : thepac called 4,800
Jul 26 23:13:37 : Seat 6 : thepac has 4c 4s
Jul 26 23:13:39 : Seat 7 : GotEmOrBluf has 9c Tc
Jul 26 23:13:39 : GotEmOrBluf has Pair: 9s
Jul 26 23:13:39 : GotEmOrBluf wins 38,800 with Pair: 9s
Okay, I KNOW this was misplayed and I should've laid it down because I was thinking I was behind but my hunch was he had nothing due to his play previously. I put him on a draw but he didn't even have that and got saved on the river. I know I should've let it go, it just bothered me that my hunch on him was correct and I lost so I wanted to post this to confirm my mistake. Should I have bet the turn? I wasn't sure exactly what to do there. On the river I almost felt commited to calling but maybe that was my own pride, wanting to see if I had in fact royally messed up.
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 1 : MlKE has $73,950
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 2 : Mean847 has $44,415
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 3 : friendly135 has $62,830
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 4 : Mortar13 has $19,360
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 5 : tic has $19,180
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 6 : thepac has $24,780
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 7 : GotEmOrBluf has $151,670
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 8 : MACO1020 has $16,950
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 9 : okiebogenob has $9,310
Jul 26 23:17:38 : tic is the dealer.
Jul 26 23:17:38 : thepac posted small blind.
Jul 26 23:17:38 : GotEmOrBluf posted big blind.
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Game 169 started with 9 players.
Jul 26 23:17:38 : Seat 6 : thepac has Ks Ad
Jul 26 23:17:40 : MACO1020 folded.
Jul 26 23:17:40 : okiebogenob folded.
Jul 26 23:17:44 : MlKE folded.
Jul 26 23:17:54 : Mean847 folded.
Jul 26 23:17:54 : friendly135 folded.
Jul 26 23:17:54 : Mortar13 folded.
Jul 26 23:17:54 : tic folded.
Jul 26 23:18:03 : thepac called 1,200 and raised 5,000
Jul 26 23:18:04 : GotEmOrBluf called 5,000
Jul 26 23:18:05 : Board cards   
Jul 26 23:18:08 : thepac checked.
Jul 26 23:18:10 : GotEmOrBluf bet 9,600
Jul 26 23:18:13 : thepac called 9,600 and raised 7,780 and is All-in
Jul 26 23:18:14 : GotEmOrBluf called 7,780
Jul 26 23:18:15 : Seat 6 : thepac has Ks Ad
Jul 26 23:18:17 : Seat 6 : thepac has Ks Ad
Jul 26 23:18:17 : Seat 7 : GotEmOrBluf has 3d 4s
Jul 26 23:18:23 : Board cards  
Jul 26 23:18:23 : Seat 6 : thepac has Ks Ad
Jul 26 23:18:23 : thepac has Pair: Kings
Jul 26 23:18:23 : Seat 7 : GotEmOrBluf has 3d 4s
Jul 26 23:18:23 : GotEmOrBluf has Pair: 4s
Jul 26 23:18:23 : thepac wins 49,560 with Pair: Kings
Was I again over-agressive? I'm still not sure why he called the preflop but on that flop, when he bet, I wasn't sure exactly what to do. My head told me he has something like 44 or 1010 BUT I'd watch him bluff out someone two hands before and decided my Ks were probably ahead for now.
Okay, well I play quite tight, not playing bad hands unless I'm the BB usually. I have some things to share and ask, sorry this is so long. My play is tight, not over-tight but tight and when I go in I push hard. I do this when I think I am ahead and I try to use my 'tight' image that I likely build to push people off pots. Sometimes it works, sometimes not but I almost always semi-bluff so I have outs in case I'm too agressive and get read as so.
1) Sometimes it will just kill me letting hands go. I had a HUGE problem in the middle of the tournament getting cards. I saw 72o, 63o, 93o over and over and over. I got AA, KK, QQ, 77, 55 and that was it for my pairs but I got none outside the first and last 30 minutes. How do you stay focused and not play garbage hands when you're laying down the nuts?
EX1. I throw down 98o in EP and the flop would've given me the nut straight.
EX2. Fold 42o and flop is 443, would've won with the set.
Those 2 were actually back to back. I know I did the right thing folding, but how do you avoid making careless mistakes when you're getting horrible hands?
2) One problem I have sometimes if not knowing exactly how to read a situation post flop if I have overcards and the flop doesn't help. Often I can play it properly but sometimes I'm unsure.
EX. AKo, raise in LP and get 1 caller who previously limped. Flop is 88Q and the guy comes out with a pot raise. To me I just didn't know what to read that as. I was thinking he likely has a Q, possibly something like KQ and I ended up folding to his raise on the flop. Was I right here or was he overbetting?
ANYWAYS...
I'm REALLY sorry for this monster post, I just am very proud of how I did and wanted to improve. This being my first freeroll in a Very longtime and the first poker I've played with anything at stake since trying to improve my game I was very happy.
Out of 1000 people I ended up placing 25th, in the money at top 27 got paid. Sure it's only $0.50 but I was very pleased with how I did as I felt I played well and one hand killed me. I was at or above the average chip stack for most of the tournament, in Top 10 at one point and if I'd won the hand that crippled me I would've been Top 5. Somehow Doyle's couldn't retreive the hand that killed me so here it in from memory.
Dealt AKo in MP, lead out with a bet of 10,000 (blinds at 3200) and get one caller. Flop comes A73 rainbow (1 heart) and I bet 15,000, he pushes all-in and I decide to call. He flips over Ah10h and breaks my heart as turn is a J and river is a 10. After that I was down to 4000, was able to double-up on pocket 7s and went out next hand with A6s (lost to kicker of A7s)
So over all it was a great night and I think I learned some things about my game and gained some confidence. Will need to do well in a few more as $0.50 isn't going to get me far lol, but anyway.
Sorry for this massive post, thanks to any that read and respond!
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Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:08 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Bump, anyone read this yet with some comments?
(P.S. I know Freerolls are crap but I strictly played as if it was real, it made it tough to win pots at times but I don't want to develop bad habits)
Oh if this is the wrong section, please move it 
Posted Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:47 am GMT by MrDarling
Same day bump ?
Anyway, you did well to last so long on a freeroll.
How can you ask if you are too aggressive if the players keep calling you? Especially in freeroll, people will call with rags and you have to take advantage of it when you got the cards.
Its pretty normal not to see good cards for so long, and you simply have to play them when you have them and lay them down when you don't.
Good luck
Posted Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:21 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
Sry bout the bump hehe, was just anxious for feedback.
Anyway, yeh that is what I do but the last 2 MTTs I've been in I've had brutal hands (1 I didn't see a single PP and my only double face-card hand was AQo). I think I probably need to loosen up in the beginning of these tournaments. I find once I get into later stages if I have at least chip average I can do very well because I'm ahead of the blinds, etc. But if I can't get the cards early I often struggle, looking for double-ups. But I suppose I'm a little too tight at times usually living off blinds. Gotta vary my play a little more
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