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Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:47 am GMT by Yezariael
Hello,
i had this Hand happening in a Tourney not far to ITM.
Me and both villains were in top fifteen of chips.
What did i wrong apart from calling that hand at all? Maybe late position is bad in a case like this?? From watching them I had them both relatively sure on TPTK though there was no raises.
Sorry if the question is stupid i play now for 4 weeks only:
Kral007 Posted Small Blind 300
lomaview Posted Big Blind 600
Dealing Cards
You Were Dealt (Jh, 8d)
gordorado Calls 600
gregb33 Folds
nobaumin Folds
flipit Calls 600
vanikathan Calls 600
amibluffin Folds
fulldeck52 Calls 600
Yezariael Calls 600
Kral007 Calls 300
lomaview Checks
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Dealing Flop (Ac,Js,8s)
Kral007 Checks
lomaview Checks
gordorado Checks
flipit Checks
vanikathan Bets 3,300
fulldeck52 Calls 3,300
Yezariael All In for 5,820
Kral007 Folds
lomaview Folds
gordorado Folds
flipit Folds
vanikathan Calls 2,520
fulldeck52 Calls 2,520
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Dealing Turn (4h)
vanikathan All In for 3,867
fulldeck52 Calls 3,867
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fulldeck52 has (Kc, Ah)
Yezariael has (Jh, 8d)
vanikathan has (Qs, As)
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Dealing River (4d)
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fulldeck52 Wins 7,734 from pot 2 with : Two Pair, Aces and Fours
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fulldeck52 Wins 21,660 from pot 1 with : Two Pair, Aces and Fours
Yezariael OUT
vanikathan OUT
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Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:36 am GMT by MrDarling
Hi and welcome to the board.
When posting hands in the future please add chip count , and it also helps if it is obvious who you are.
fold preflop.
this is not a hand you want to play with, especially when the blinds are so high compare to chip stack (seems to me like you had roughly 10XBB)
As good as the flop seems to you, you are actually even chances to win as the AQs on this flop.
But after seeing this flop with your cards, it will be very hard to fold a hand like that.
Posted Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:24 am GMT by shorn7
Yup, what darling said. Your hand stinks preflop...wait for a better spot.
As the hand played out on the flop, you have to go broke.
Posted Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:09 pm GMT by Jauron
Don't see anything wrong with the call preflop, he was getting involved in a multi way pot with a hand that he could get away from easily if he didn't hit the flop hard enough, and had position if the flop came garbage.
Not every decision needs to be all or nothing, and the other side to the coin is if you are ~10xBB, you need to take chances regardless. So yeah you can throw it all in on the first Ace you see or small pair where you can race or you can try to take a flop with a marginal hand. He's probably not going to see a monster before his stack gets so low he's forced to play against a large varity of hands.
Given the flop you had no choice but to move it in. Even money or not the AQ would have been about even money if you had AJ there as well and you are not going to fold that either.
A call, fold or all-in would have been prefectly reasonable decisions given your stack size and the money in the pot and action before you holding the button.
What I would love is the "fold it" crowd to tell me the hand ranges and position (I'll go ahead and assume it's to an unopened pot) he gets to wait for in the next 3 orbits before he's forced to throw it in with any Ace.
Posted Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:49 am GMT by fiezk
Seriously, J8o is trash - muck it pre flop. Had it been JTs or even J9s it would have a lot more potential in a multiway pot.
Given your call PF though, there's no way you're not pushing on the flop. Sorry that second 4 came to ruin your day.
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