Posted Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:19 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
Okay, tell me if you like my play here...
A short-term goal is mine is to take advantage if I create a tight image, especially in tournaments. Below is a hand where I specifically decided to work this angle.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?436094
I was in LP and had folded every hand until this one. It was still very early but I felt this would be a good time to try this out. I felt my hand was also decent for drawing so I was comfortable moving with this hand.
As you can see, I played it as if I was holding a pretty good starting hand and as soon as that Q dropped I played it strong, as if that Q was mine.
I wish I'd shown him my cards to use this later, but oh well. Any thoughts? I know it's a standard bluff play, but should I have slowed down at any point?
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Posted Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:14 pm GMT by zinn0
Dead kitten.
Play is standard.
Posted Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:56 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
 Figured, sorry for the useless post.
I wanted to make sure I didn't overplay it and get lucky with his fold, like if warning bells should've ever gone off and I missed em.
Posted Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:23 pm GMT by Cricket_Fire
If you wouldn't mind, could you type up your thought process though this hand? If it's too much trouble don't bother, just curious as to how it played out
EDIT
What I mean is why you chose to bluff in that spot, how you knew (or atleast why you thought) he'd fold to the river bet when he called the turn, that kind of thing
Thanks
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:25 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Sure, least I may turn this thread into something useful.
Well basically I sat there thinking about the cards, etc. and the T8s hit me and I decided I would make money off this hand. I know this thought-line can be dangerous but I wanted to make a move under 1 condition:
1 was not re-raised
If I had been re-raised I would've likely called due to the pot size (if the re-raise was small) but played much slower if I missed the flop.
2 of the guys in the pot were somewhat lose and somewhat liked to call til they knew they were beat. 1 of them was the villian, the other folded later in the hand.
On the flop I had 2 thoughts:
Bad: No 4-card flush or straight out there
Good: High-card (Q) was out there
Decided to play this as if I held QQ or AQ. On the flop the villian put out a standard feeler min-bet and I decided he was likely looking at a pair, could even be a Q but I wanted to knock the rest out and just play with him so I raised and it worked.
On the turn my hand became much better, both the hand I actually held and the hand I was representing. I now had a flush draw AND another low card for my Q hand. He checked which told me he was weak since he'd previously bet and called a raise. I couldn't imagine that 2 helping him in any way. My bet here was decent but nothing big, I basically didn't want to min-bet (get no information) but didn't want to overbet (commit myself) so here I half-expected him to call, hoping he'd give up but it was unlikely.
The river came and I didn't make my flush but that's okay, that was only 1 of the 2 hands I was holding. Okay I know this thought-line isn't totally correct, but sometimes I like using it. I have outs for the hand I hold and outs for the hand I'm representing. That 8s may have cost me my real hand but it played perfectly into my represented hand. If that card had been an overcard such as an A or K, non-club, it would've been much scarier. So, I came out firing assuming that he was still riding a pair and he folded as I expected.
Hope that was somewhat useful, I'm no expert or anything...that's just the way I thought it through (as I recall)
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:38 am GMT by Cricket_Fire
Thanks for the explanation!
I was thinking about it yesterday after I read this. This is where the table image comes in right? If he sees you as a tight player, he can't play a medium strength hand when you're pushing that hard, correct?
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:50 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Exactly. I prefer to play TAG but if the cards aren't coming I try and take a medium hand like suited connectors (rather than something like K5o which has a lot more problems I could run into - traps) and make a move. Being seen as tight I was able to get a lot of respect from everyone but the villian who eventually knew (although wrongly) that he was beat and he laid it down. If I did not have a tight image this wouldn't have worked well at all.
Also, often when I pull a play like I this I will sometimes show the cards depending on the situation. If the pot was pretty big, as it was in the one I posted, it can really mess with the guy you just beat and cause deception at the table. Next time you go aggressive someone may put you all-in preflop or on the flop, but this time you're holding AA and he's done exactly what you've wanted.
These kinds of plays work better in ring play because you know your opponents a little better usually but are more useful in a tournament situation because you can't always wait for a big hand. I often sit and wait for a big hand early in a tournament, if we get to Level 2 and I still haven't really gone in (no good hands) I'll try something like this to make up some chips. In this situation I won't show the cards though because I want them to think I had playing the QQ in the situation above. This way, I can play a few mediocre hands if I want or make another bluff and still get the respect of being TAG.
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