Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:01 pm GMT by kingetje
I was struggling in this SnG so when I saw the flop I wanted to double up drastically... thats why i checked the flop (no flushdraws, or even a remote backdoor straight draw possible) and just called the turn waiting to shove it all in on the river.
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$10 - NL - 9 Seat - Extended 10800416-49 Holdem No Limit 50/100
Aug 2 17:55:11 : Hand Start.
Aug 2 17:55:11 : Seat 1 : djbeats has $1,010
Aug 2 17:55:11 : Seat 3 : ClemO has $3,420
Aug 2 17:55:11 : Seat 6 : kingetje has $1,505
Aug 2 17:55:11 : Seat 8 : $5Bill has $4,450
Aug 2 17:55:11 : Seat 9 : babaorum42 has $7,615
Aug 2 17:55:11 : $5Bill is the dealer.
Aug 2 17:55:11 : babaorum42 posted small blind.
Aug 2 17:55:11 : djbeats posted big blind.
Aug 2 17:55:11 : Game 49 started with 5 players.
Aug 2 17:55:11 : Dealing Hole Cards.
Aug 2 17:55:11 : Seat 6 : kingetje has 8s Ac
Aug 2 17:55:12 : ClemO called 100
Aug 2 17:55:17 : kingetje called 100 and raised 200
Aug 2 17:55:17 : Stakes: 50/100 Current level: 3 Next level in: 1 min.
Aug 2 17:55:19 : $5Bill called 300
Aug 2 17:55:21 : babaorum42 called 250
Aug 2 17:55:24 : djbeats folded.
Aug 2 17:55:26 : ClemO called 200
Aug 2 17:55:27 : Dealing flop.
Aug 2 17:55:27 : Board cards   
Aug 2 17:55:41 : babaorum42 checked.
Aug 2 17:55:41 : ClemO checked.
Aug 2 17:55:42 : Stakes: 50/100 Current level: 3 Next level in: 1 min.
Aug 2 17:55:43 : kingetje checked.
Aug 2 17:55:45 : $5Bill checked.
Aug 2 17:55:46 : Dealing turn.
Aug 2 17:55:46 : Board cards 
Aug 2 17:55:51 : babaorum42 bet 200
Aug 2 17:55:52 : ClemO folded.
Aug 2 17:55:54 : kingetje called 200
Aug 2 17:55:56 : $5Bill called 200
Aug 2 17:55:57 : Dealing river.
Aug 2 17:55:57 : Board cards 
Aug 2 17:56:02 : babaorum42 bet 200
Aug 2 17:56:02 : Stakes: 50/100 Current level: 3 Next level in: 1 min.
Aug 2 17:56:06 : kingetje called 200 and raised 805 and is All-in
Aug 2 17:56:06 : $5Bill folded.
Aug 2 17:56:08 : babaorum42 called 805
Aug 2 17:56:09 : Showdown!
Aug 2 17:56:09 : Seat 6 : kingetje has 8s Ac
Aug 2 17:56:11 : Seat 6 : kingetje has 8s Ac
Aug 2 17:56:11 : kingetje has 3 of a Kind: 8s
Aug 2 17:56:11 : Seat 9 : babaorum42 has 6h 6d
Aug 2 17:56:11 : babaorum42 has Full House : 6s full of 8s
Aug 2 17:56:11 : babaorum42 wins 3,910 with Full House : 6s full of 8s
Aug 2 17:56:20 : ClemO : ouch
Aug 2 17:56:21 : Hand is over.
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Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:55 am GMT by ki_cz
I've done the same thing, and honestly felt like a moron afterwards. I will still probably do this ~25% of the time, especially if I have the ace kicker. But that's just me, hate when this happens, but more often than not I'm taking down the pot whether I slow play or not.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:09 am GMT by MrDarling
its a tough cookie.
But I hate to slow play a small set an especially trips. He the board pairs , or someone else got a set you're in problems. That said, how often will you encounter a set...
The thing is, even if you raised the turn, chances are someone with pp will call. if he hit his set on the river you're still screwed .
Look, you were still 95% to win on the turn. So as bad as it feels - seems like you were making the right play!
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:02 am GMT by UrAteUp
Never slow play a vulnerable hands such as trips (it would only technically be a set if you had a pp in your hand) and sets. Most times when you give a free card you get burnt.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:22 am GMT by kingetje
| Quote: | he thing is, even if you raised the turn, chances are someone with pp will call. if he hit his set on the river you're still screwed .
Look, you were still 95% to win on the turn. So as bad as it feels - seems like you were making the right play! |
this is what i was thinking, there were no straight or flush possibilities at all, so i could only get hurt by someone holding a Pocket pair that matches a board card beside the 8... and thats not very likely to happen so i went with it.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:35 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Honestly I would have played it exactly the same as you (with the exception of maybe raising a bit more PF.) If however, you knew this player to be really LAG, I'd fire out a bet on either the flop or turn to get some value out of your hand. This is a hand where you will make more money slowplaying than you will by eliminated the draws to win the pot immediately.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:49 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Never slow play a vulnerable hands such as trips (it would only technically be a set if you had a pp in your hand) and sets. Most times when you give a free card you get burnt. |
Actually, it's fairly uncommon that giving a free card burns you, unless the board is really draw heavy. If you're afraid of giving your opponent a free shot at 2 or 3 outs, you're a big chicken.
Slow-playing is fine, but should be used sparingly. Some people make a bad habit of slowplaying trips every time they hit them, which is a huge mistake, because it looks so obvious with a pair on board. Slow-playing works best for an aggressive player who's doing a lot of betting, and whose checks and calls don't necessarily mean a lot. When I see a tight player check and call my bet, though, he may as well put a big sign over his head, "I'm slowplaying something big you stupid LAG, I'm gonna pop you big if you bet again."
On a crappy board like that, I probably just bet my trips, because it's going to be hard to get action anyway, and you were the pre-flop raiser. You'd probably get action from the sixes in any case.
Posted Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:10 pm GMT by foldhappy
You got lucky when you needed to, then let it get away. Take it down or force them to make the mistake. If you push on the flop after your pre-flop bet, you look like you're trying to protect a premium starting hand on a raggedy board, when in actuality, you've nailed the flop pretty hard. I can't really blame the line you took, but personally, I'd probably be more likely to slowplay it with a bigger stack and more likely to be aggressive earlier in the hand with the smaller stack. I have a hard time waiting for another street (or the flop) when I know I intend to push at some point in the hand.
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