Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:49 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
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The guy that re-raised the flop was a solid player from what I'd seen, I put him on having a piece of that straight if not already flopped it. With 3 people behind me to act I struggled with this for a while before laying it down.
When the turn came I smiled, thinking someone HAD to have the 8 and when the board paired on the river I smacked my forehead.
I am angry I laid this down, but in this situation was my laydown an okay move?
Edit: Don't ask me WTF that guy with A9 was thinking.
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Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:24 pm GMT by shorn7
I can't lay that down on that flop. There are only two hands that beat you and I don't think you have enough information yet to fold. Most often with middle set (in NL), I am getting to the river one way or another. Only time I would fold it is if the board were a 3-str8 AND a flush already and the actio was hot and heavy in front of me. In that case, you could be drawing dead to a 1 outer (or dead completely if someone has a SF).
Bottom line...if you never folded a set in NL, you wouldn't be aking much of a mistake in the long run. That's not to say that you will win all the time, but you will win with it often enough to make always calling a +EV play.
It takes a really strong read to lay down this hand IMO.
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:30 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
It was basically the guy that re-raised in front of me. He was a very solid player and wasn't making moves unless he had the cards for the most part. When he re-raised I thought I was probably still ahead with the slight chance he had flopped a straight but I also wasn't sure what would happen behind me.
Guess I should've played it out but I was very surprised to see what the re-raiser turned over. I was very happen with the laydown until the river as the turn had made it much scarier.
I suppose I just overthought it and gave the guy too much credit but he'd flopped a weak flush earlier and killed a guy in a somewhat similar hand. I'd also won 3 hands in a row prior to this, 2 at showdown with big hands and 1 bluff-off so I guess I sort of felt like I should step back on this one.
Like I said, likely overthought it 
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:17 pm GMT by Phil14312
At those stakes I probably never fold the flop. More often than not you are against the types of hands that those players showed down. Even against a flopped straight you will still have 10 outs by the turn.
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:20 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
True, okay then thanks for the tips. Like I said, think I just overthought it and created a bad situation out of nothing. Live and learn
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:25 pm GMT by E-money04
For those kind of stakes always call
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:34 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Tame Deuces often spoke of a phrase that is stuck in my mind about low stakes NL, and proves to be usefull time and time again.
"Push, reload."
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:42 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
Yeh, think I made the mistake of thinking it through as if it were higher stakes or whatever 
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:55 pm GMT by Jauron
| th3pac wrote: | | but I was very surprised to see what the re-raiser turned over. |
In lower level games this is the theme. It's just as likely some idiot is overplaying TPTK as it is the flopped straight.
Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:51 pm GMT by Ryan_j37
I pretty much only fold a set when the board is 4 flushed and someone comes at me. Even if you are behind you are still about 35% to catch up in this case. You probably gave the players too much credit. Theres no point drawing to a hand your not going to play. Sets a monsters and should be played accordingly. As you said live and learn.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:25 am GMT by Skribbles
Never fold that.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:17 pm GMT by Oasis
The only reason you're seeing the flop with 7's IS to get a chance at trips.
I couldn't lay that down.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:53 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
We've all decided it was a bad play 
Still not sure what I was thinking.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:04 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| th3pac wrote: | We've all decided it was a bad play
Still not sure what I was thinking. |
You were thinking you were beat.... . Now you learned a little more about poker. Consider it a cheap lesson and keep it in your head for future use... . That's how you learn to become a better player...
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