Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:26 pm GMT by MasterMike
This is not one particular situation but many in which i have a any pocket pair and raise pre flop. If i am in good position, i may try to steal the blinds with 2s just to avoid a bad flop.
But in my normal house game this is what happens. Ill have a pocket pair (typically im talking about qq down) and will raise. Someone will call or reraise. At that time i can put them on ak aq kk etc or pockets.
Lets say for this hand i have pocket 10.
The flop will come a j 7
My pockets miss everything and there are two over cards which are playable with a pre flop raise.
Whats a good strategy here with two over cards on the board?
Also whats a good strategy if there is only one over card on the board?
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Posted Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:47 pm GMT by Jauron
Hard to answer your question outright, the answer really is it depends. But if I could steer you in another direction first...
A "big" hand like 10 10-qq to a table where you encounter a reraise often I'll consider my position. Say I have 10's in your spot, if I have position I may just call the raise or reraise, if I don't I will consider also moving in preflop.
For example, say I have JJ in the SB of a NL game, be it tourney or live. I see a good sized raise ahead of me, maybe even a call behind. At this point it's pretty likely an overcard will come on the flop. The way I see it most of the time I will see a scare card, with two behind me I'll strongly consider moving in or making a large reraise to chase out most hands if I am not sure I am ahead preflop, if nothing else I probably want it heads up. If the player may call me down with AK no matter my raise I may just move it in, if I feel they will only call with hands that have me beat I may just reraise and consider folding if they move in.
In your example if you are first to act with solid players involved you are probably better off checking, if the players are agressive and loose with their calls you may consider leading out but with 2 overcards it's dangerous.
If there is a single overcard, but not an ace, I will probably lead out and force them to like there hand. If they call I will probably slow down on the turn. If both player just called my raise but have position I will lead out nearly all of the time to represent the overcard.
Making good decisions preflop can make post flop play easier to handle.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:23 am GMT by Skribbles
With low pairs 22-77, get in cheap, and if you don't hit your set on the flop, fold.
88+ raise, fold to aggresion if overs hit.
Posted Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:38 pm GMT by snoogins47
Generally when the flop wasn't too kind, but you still have a middling pair... in shorthanded pots, you're usually best off betting again, but typically just once unless you improve. In pots with a lot of players, just give up and fight another day. Kinda depends just HOW bad the overcards were though: for instance, if you raise with 55 and the board comes 2 7 9, you're probably not nearly as worried as you are in the TT w/ AJ7 hand.
Regardless of how many overcards/shitty cards are out there, once you do make that bet and get somebody that wants to wrassle... before you do anything, try to take a look at the flop, a look at the player who called you, and try to estimate what sorts of hands he could call with on the flop. It's not always obvious exactly what he has: but a lot of the time, you can tell pretty plainly when he's almost certainly got you beat... or when there's a good chance you still are best. You can usually decide then whether it's right to put any more money into the pot. (typically, when there are a lot of possible drawing hands on the flop, but the turn didn't help any/hardly any of them, you may want to bet again/try to show it down somehow if the river blanks, depending on how the player is. If there's hardly any drawing hands, or if a lot of the drawing hands improved to beat you on the turn, just run away heh)
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