Posted Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:37 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
No idea what this guy was thinking...
PokerStars Game #5797583939: Tournament #29349984, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/08/04 - 18:24:15 (ET)
Table '29349984 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Jocomo4 (2210 in chips)
Seat 2: Rogman0611 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: URDEAD6 (1540 in chips)
Seat 4: Turn_Prophet (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: joshuamano (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: bigslick7676 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: kymedic3008 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: sue9 (800 in chips)
Seat 9: JBBadd (1500 in chips)
Turn_Prophet: posts small blind 10
joshuamano: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Turn_Prophet  
bigslick7676: calls 20
Jocomo4 said, "thanks for chasing"
kymedic3008: folds
sue9: calls 20
JBBadd: calls 20
Jocomo4: calls 20
Rogman0611: folds
URDEAD6: folds
Turn_Prophet: calls 10
sue9 said, "np"
joshuamano: checks
*** FLOP ***   
Turn_Prophet: checks
joshuamano: checks
bigslick7676: bets 60
sue9: calls 60
JBBadd: calls 60
Jocomo4: calls 60
Turn_Prophet: raises 240 to 300
joshuamano: folds
bigslick7676: folds
sue9: folds
JBBadd: calls 240
Jocomo4: calls 240
*** TURN *** 
Turn_Prophet: bets 1160 and is all-in
JBBadd: calls 1160
Jocomo4: folds
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Turn_Prophet: shows (a pair of Jacks)
JBBadd: shows   (high card Ace)
Turn_Prophet collected 3460 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3460 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Jocomo4 folded on the Turn
Seat 2: Rogman0611 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: URDEAD6 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Turn_Prophet (small blind) showed and won (3460) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: joshuamano (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: bigslick7676 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: kymedic3008 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sue9 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: JBBadd showed and lost with high card Ace
Mistake #1: Not raising pre-flop.
Mistake #2: Not betting more on the flop.
Mistake #3: If he was going to call the big check-raise on the flop, he might as well have re-raised. In fact, all-in probably would have been the best move.
Mistake #4: Calling the pot-sized all-in bet on the turn.
I can't believe how badly many people overplay AK still...
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Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:19 am GMT by khaosanroad
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | No idea what this guy was thinking...
PokerStars Game #5797583939: Tournament #29349984, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/08/04 - 18:24:15 (ET)
Table '29349984 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Jocomo4 (2210 in chips)
Seat 2: Rogman0611 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: URDEAD6 (1540 in chips)
Seat 4: Turn_Prophet (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: joshuamano (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: bigslick7676 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: kymedic3008 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: sue9 (800 in chips)
Seat 9: JBBadd (1500 in chips)
Turn_Prophet: posts small blind 10
joshuamano: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Turn_Prophet
bigslick7676: calls 20
Jocomo4 said, "thanks for chasing"
kymedic3008: folds
sue9: calls 20
JBBadd: calls 20
Jocomo4: calls 20
Rogman0611: folds
URDEAD6: folds
Turn_Prophet: calls 10
sue9 said, "np"
joshuamano: checks
*** FLOP ***
Turn_Prophet: checks
joshuamano: checks
bigslick7676: bets 60
sue9: calls 60
JBBadd: calls 60
Jocomo4: calls 60
Turn_Prophet: raises 240 to 300
joshuamano: folds
bigslick7676: folds
sue9: folds
JBBadd: calls 240
Jocomo4: calls 240
*** TURN ***
Turn_Prophet: bets 1160 and is all-in
JBBadd: calls 1160
Jocomo4: folds
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Turn_Prophet: shows (a pair of Jacks)
JBBadd: shows (high card Ace)
Turn_Prophet collected 3460 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3460 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Jocomo4 folded on the Turn
Seat 2: Rogman0611 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: URDEAD6 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Turn_Prophet (small blind) showed and won (3460) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: joshuamano (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: bigslick7676 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: kymedic3008 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sue9 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: JBBadd showed and lost with high card Ace
Mistake #1: Not raising pre-flop.
Mistake #2: Not betting more on the flop.
Mistake #3: If he was going to call the big check-raise on the flop, he might as well have re-raised. In fact, all-in probably would have been the best move.
Mistake #4: Calling the pot-sized all-in bet on the turn.
I can't believe how badly many people overplay AK still... |
He was playing it as a nut flush draw, so he was chasing a hand not trying to steal it.
He should have played it like you said, but I dont' think it was horrible, he just wanted to get the flush cheap, but called the all in hoping to hit the flush and get a big pot.
Posted Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:02 am GMT by MrDarling
the one big mistake he made was not raising preflop.
And then ofcourse, calling allin on a draw.
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:47 am GMT by MrDarling
here is a question though (it really is not a judgment)
You play the TPNK really stognly. Does it ever bite you back?
There are many hands there that can beat you in a limped in pot. Any other JX , 68 etc...
I often find my self in situation like that MPTK or even TPNK where I fold to a push like yours.
Do I really need to grow a set ?
Danny
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:58 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| MrDarling wrote: | here is a question though (it really is not a judgment)
You play the TPNK really stognly. Does it ever bite you back?
There are many hands there that can beat you in a limped in pot. Any other JX , 68 etc...
I often find my self in situation like that MPTK or even TPNK where I fold to a push like yours.
Do I really need to grow a set ?
Danny |
Most of the time, I do not play that hand so strongly, but the big factor here was that I read everyone else for having a very weak hand.
1. No one raised pre-flop.
2. The two players just flat called on a 2-suited board.
3. The pot was so big that the only bet that could protect my hand was all-in.
4. The only hands I see calling me are very badly played QJ, KJ, or AJ, which I don't see either player having.
But in general, TPNK is not the type of hand you want to push so strongly with, and certainly not a hand you usually want to call a push with.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:11 pm GMT by Jauron
If I have AK I will NEVER FOLD IT....EVERS!!one!!
For a hand that gets talked about, second only to maybe Aces, it might be one of the more misunderstood hands out there. While it's easy for us to laugh at him, not too long ago (few years) it was an instant call of any all in with AKs for me. Live and learn.
Not too hard a stretch to also following that post flop.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:47 pm GMT by JackKingOff
hehe wats the "N" in TPNK ? does it stand for no meaning bad?
and i agree with your play but i usually wouldnt raise like with so many flat callers but i do see your point on the weakness of their hands
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:50 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
Yeh, Top Pair No Kicker - basically your kicker is utter crap 
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