Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:13 am GMT by Oasis
Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/08/05 - 01:05:00 (ET)
Table '29372835 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Oasis88 (1305 in chips)
Seat 2: GreaseFire (1070 in chips)
Seat 4: old Hopsing (1260 in chips)
Seat 5: Eddiebop (2440 in chips)
Seat 6: Pepsi7560 (1020 in chips)
Seat 7: slimer6971 (2040 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: nvee (1850 in chips)
Seat 9: Ungar Fan (1770 in chips)
Seat 10: Schmitty03 (2245 in chips)
Ungar Fan: posts small blind 50
Schmitty03: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Oasis88  
Oasis88: calls 100
GreaseFire: folds
old Hopsing has timed out
old Hopsing: folds
old Hopsing is sitting out
old Hopsing has returned
Eddiebop: folds
Pepsi7560: folds
slimer6971: folds
nvee: calls 100
Ungar Fan: folds
Schmitty03: checks
*** FLOP ***   
slimer6971 has returned
Schmitty03: checks
Oasis88: bets 200
nvee: raises 400 to 600
Schmitty03: folds
Oasis88: calls 400
*** TURN *** 
Oasis88: bets 300
nvee: raises 305 to 605
bOasis88: ???
Can't quite figure this one out. Maybe I need to learn to throw down top pair? This type of hand has always been a problem for me so your advice will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Warren.
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Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:18 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
If you're going to play that hand up front, play it for a raise to get some info. about the strength of others' hands. Of course, with your stack, I think the only REAL decision to make on this hand was whether or not to go all-in before the flop.
When (your stack)/(blinds + antes) < 5, you need to either be pushing in or folding before the flop any hand you play. Personally, I don't like to let this number get much below 10 before I start pushing it in pre-flop.
Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:22 am GMT by Loonbat
Hi all.
Playing AJo UTG 9-handed with your adjusted M-value of about 8 is not a great choice. If I had half your stack, I would be all-in preflop. If I had twice your stack I'd be raising preflop.
But that wasn't your question. You played it, so ...
The button didn't show any strength preflop. The bigger ace hands (Ak, AQ) are not likely in my mind. However, 5s, A9 and A5 would all be legitimate hands for the button to be on. My personal read (with little info about the player) is he flopped 2-pr, maybe top and bottom.
Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:26 am GMT by Oasis
| Quote: | | My personal read (with little info about the player) is he flopped 2-pr, maybe top and bottom. |
Right on the money.
In hindsight I know it was silly, but I called and lost to his 2pair. He held A4. The thing that baffled me was, he didnt have 2 pair until the turn card.
How did you figure this?
Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:28 am GMT by khaosanroad
I would have guessed 2 pair or low kicker. If he slow played AK or AQ then he probably just calls your flop bet to get more money on the turn instead of scaring you off.
With 2 pair he raises to make you think he has a low kicker and doesn't want to be called.
Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:31 am GMT by crack
After the turn bet you are comitted to the hand.
The lesson here is that big unsuited cards don't do well in multiway pots, so raise and thin the field with your better big cards.
Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:27 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
With so short a stack compared to blinds your decision needs to come on the flop. Either you're laying it down to his reraise, or you're going all in.
I personally don't like the fold since there are a lot of things that he could be raising with that you're beating. If the buy in was higher I might suggest folding, but at this level, you're ahead too much of the time to fold, so go all in for the rest of your chips.
That being said, if you don't wanna gamble folding to his reraise isnt a terrible move either. But once you've called that raise, you're in it for the rest of your chips.
Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:46 pm GMT by UrAteUp
All in after that flop. It he hits his damn hand on the river...nothing you can do about that.
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:21 am GMT by efram
I was thinking 2 pair as well.
Its easier for me to analyze hands while reading the history.
In the heat of the moment, I would probly push on the flop here.
Its funny though, as I play more, I learn that sometimes top pair with a good or even top kicker is a hand to lay down when played back at like you were in this hand. He is showing strength. He is raising your bets, either he's got that Ax beat or he's bluffing. If you had a good read you could push/call to the river and nail his bluff, but if you don't know, don't have a good read, its better to lay down and wait for a better spot. Of course with your chipstack here, I would've felt this was the best chance for me and went broke.
best way to play this, ALL-IN fre-plop.
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:57 am GMT by Oasis
Okay thanks guys. Cheers for your comments
That's one leak sealed :]
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:09 am GMT by MrDarling
which level is this?
In low levels player consider any Ax the nut, especially if they pair it!
First , you didn't show any strength preflop. Then you min bet the flop. He had to think his A is better then yours.
Now problems his , all of you guys have a bad blinds / stack ratio.
I would probably raise preflop to 2XBB .
Then if get called , on this flop I would bet at least half the flop.
If this was low level, he would call, and would call my turn bet and will probably bust me out of the tourney.
it s*cks being in early with a hand like that... But come on guys, even OP had AKs he will still lose a lot of chip on this board.
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:19 am GMT by UrAteUp
| MrDarling wrote: | which level is this?
In low levels player consider any Ax the nut, especially if they pair it!
First , you didn't show any strength preflop. Then you min bet the flop. He had to think his A is better then yours.
Now problems his , all of you guys have a bad blinds / stack ratio.
I would probably raise preflop to 2XBB .
Then if get called , on this flop I would bet at least half the flop.
If this was low level, he would call, and would call my turn bet and will probably bust me out of the tourney.
it s*cks being in early with a hand like that... But come on guys, even OP had AKs he will still lose a lot of chip on this board. |
Raise more then 2xBB pre-flop. Even Ax hands will stick around for a 2xBB raise. Make it something good like 4xBB or even 5xBB. 2xBB will hardly tell you what hands are competing after this pot.
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:46 pm GMT by TheSalche
Raise preflop to 3x and then push the flop if you hit.
Or fold it ... ace jack isn't all that strong in first position here with a nearly full table. You're stack isn't big enough to make a raise preflop then bet anything besides all-in on the flop. You also really aren't in that big of trouble of being blinded out yet.
Diamond, stack/blinds is about 9 here, and I don't think a pre-flop push here is the best option with so many left to act
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:16 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Quote: | | Diamond, stack/blinds is about 9 here, and I don't think a pre-flop push here is the best option with so many left to act |
I agree, but I honestly prefer that to any move except folding. Calling with an M of 9 I don't like, because it's a waste if we're going to chuck it to a raise, and it gains us no information. A small raise would be ok, but we don't have the stack for it; I would hate to fold to a re-raise if we put in something along the lines of 3x the BB here. Folding may actually be the best play here, simply because our position is so poor.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:47 am GMT by red_pen
Fold pre-flop. Not a great hand. Awful position. Small stack.
As played - bet less on the flop (100 should do ya) to encourage weaker callers. There's no need to fold out any drawers at this stage. You could even check and play for a check-raise which will allow you to make it look like a BLATENT bluff when you bet the turn if it checks round.
Betting too much here just inflates the pot.
And shoving it all in is too much of an overbet to get any but hands that beat you to call.
In all, play it small until you are "sure."
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