Should I switch form the 1/2NL game to the 5/10Game at Foxwo |
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Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:41 pm GMT by groton
Okay i will keep this post simple.
I have been playing The 1/2NL game at the woods for about a year now. I am about Dead even i had a real good run about Six weeks ago when i made a 1000doller profit and then a 900doller profit. since then Its been win 200-400 or lose My Two buy in's i bring up with me.
The last Four Weeks iv lost every sesion so i am down 800.
I started out playing Limit back in 98 out in the San Diego card rooms and iv played the 2/4 and 4/8 game at foxwoods.
also did well in Thursday Limit Turnament First week in July at foxwoods so Should I change over and what Should i bring up with me bank roll wise i normoly just bring 200-400 for the 1/2 game
/b
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Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:46 pm GMT by crack
I have said to you before that I think you don';t take enough for the NL games.
If you are going to play 5/10 then you want about a 3k roll, I'd take probably abot 500-1k with me.
Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:52 pm GMT by groton
Yah i know i probaly play to short roll.
and for the 5-10 thats more then what my Grandfather brings for the 10-20 game at Foxwoods
since he normoly brings 500
Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:27 pm GMT by MJJ
I like to bring 2-2.5 buy ins to a NL game (same online)
If it goes south, it's probably time to call it a day.
Your call on moving up. If you are break even at 1/2 you might expect better players at higher levels...
Posted Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:51 pm GMT by groton
lol
5/10Ten Limit not no Limit
Posted Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:44 pm GMT by mindgame
I wouldn't take a grand into a 5/10 game. I started casino poker at 5/10 and didn't move to 10/20 until I had built my bankroll to over 4500. Five or six hundred is all you should bring. You shouldn't allow yourself to drop it all, either. You want to keep at least 125 on the table at all times. There's nothing more idiotic than the guy who's been waiting 3 hours for a killer hand and then only has $45 in front of him when he finally hits it. You get below the 125 and it's over--you walk.
Why not give the game a chance and be willing to invest 600 or 700?
Lots of reasons. If you are having a great night of 5/10 you may make 300 in an hour or two....but even then, you will average 50 or 65/hour--on a great night*. You get stuck for 600 bucks and your luck turns around, you are unlikely to even have the time (much less the stamina) to get that money back. It takes a good, tight, player 5 or 6 hours get that far behind. How often will you have another 10 hours to commit to the game? Even if you do, what kind of shape will you be in mentally and physically? What are your chances of being on your "A" game?
There's another concept that's critical to this that has to do with what someone called your threshold of misery. There's an amount of money you can't afford to lose. Whatever it is, the closer you get to it, the more horrible you feel and it WILL affect your play. You get to a certain point (usually the most you've ever lost) and once you hit it you are at the bottom of the emotional barrel. That's your threshold. If you allow yourself to go PAST that threshold you go numb. You can't feel any worse. If you keep going you are denying yourself the emotional feedback you need to make the decisions that keep you from going broke. You will risk losing everything.
You play enough poker and you will see players do this to themselves. It is almost as though they keep playing in order to punish themselves for letting it get to this point. I've pleaded with guys in this situation to get out and go home, but their behavoir is almost irrational.
The biggest reason, though, is this last one: and I've thought long and hard about it. I'll introduce it by telling you that I was a math major in college (over 50 math credits on 200-500 level). I am a numbers guy. I have a gift for permutations and combinations; I know probability and stats pretty damn well. I know the outs, the odds, I'm factoring in the chances my read is wrong, the likelihood that if I hit I might NOT win, the probability of getting additional bets and raises in--all of that when I play. STILL, that's not enough.
There are intangibles is this game that nobody can quantify. I contend that on those nights when it's going south there's a lot more going on than bad luck and guys hitting miracle rivers. We are wired into the game and the table emotionally and intuitively. There are times when it's effortless and all your reads are right and all your hunches fall like you wrote the thing out in the parking lot before you walked in. You can call it luck, but it's a lot more than that. You have a lot of unconscious mental activity (perceptions, observations, intuitions, insights, "ah-HAH" moments--what have you) that is contributing to your game. When you are losing and you feel that you are making the right plays--that's what's off. The whole subconscious part of the game is out of sync. It's time to go home and go to sleep or just walk down to the crap table. You might just as well be rolling dice.
*yes, I know some guy will post that he routinely wins $85/hr at 3/6 and makes $1500/wk playing 20 hours a week. I'm giving you about 4 years of careful observation and record keeping here. He's giving you his delusional memory.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:47 pm GMT by shorn7
Actually, based on the posts I have seen from you, I would advise you to play the 2/5 NL game instead of the 5/10 kill game. You will be a clear favorite over most 2/5 fields at FW, so I think that game would be better for you.
Personally, FW rapes the 1/2 players for $10 an hour in time. The 2/5 is only 12 per hour, so much better value.
I think you would do quite well in this game. I generally bring $1500 with me when i go play that game which allows for 3 max. buyins.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:07 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Save yourself some trouble Groton...send me your money and keep just enough to go buy some booze...then we will both have a good night...  .
Seriously I would take all the advice you have been given and pick the right info from it. Only you know if your ready to move up to 5/10. Personally I would stick with whatever your comfortable at.
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:06 am GMT by groton
shorn
one problem with playing the 2/5NL
I dont have taht big of a roll my roll for playing poker is probaly not enough for the 1/2nl since i normoly bring Two Buy in's with me.
the 5/10limit buy in is ballpark for my 1/2nl In amount of money id buy in for.
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:42 am GMT by shorn7
Well then I think you should switch to the 5/10 limit with a kill game. It is very juicy at FW and certainly the rake will be far less for you than the 10/hour you are paying now.
I used to play exclusively the 5/10 game at FW before I switched to NL.
Good luck.
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:12 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| shorn7 wrote: | | FW rapes the 1/2 players for $10 an hour in time. |
I agree the $10/hr is steep especially since the buy-in is capped at $100.
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:19 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | shorn7 wrote: | | FW rapes the 1/2 players for $10 an hour in time. |
I agree the $10/hr is steep especially since the buy-in is capped at $100. |
$10/hr??? Ewww...
If that's the case I would easily choose the $5/$10 game unless it's especially tough, in which case I'd either find another game (they spread any Omaha or Stud?) or go home and play online.
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