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Posted Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:33 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
This is something I've been thinking about lately, I also have a question near the bottom about how to play a certain situation. First part is mainly a theory/question about general strategy.
Say a player in EP raises, nothing huge but the standard 3-5xBB and I am fairly sure he is on AA, KK or AK. I am in a LP and am very sure no one behind me will call, obviously I should avoid making this call unless I too hold a powerhouse hand like AA.
Lately I began wondering, would it be a bad move to call with suited connectors (outside the range of completing a straight for As and Ks) be such a bad play, especially if I can afford to make the call chip wise, etc. The way I figure it, these hands have a much better chance at getting paid off if you hit.
Say you have 78s and flop comes 782 rainbow. The guy with AA or KK will likely lead out and you can either trap or make a move right there. The risk is obviously making sure you know they have high cards and not a medium PP. Example also is if you know the opponent to raise differently with AA/KK than with AK and can put them on AA-QQ for sure, your flush will be worth playing if you flop 2 or 3 to it, correct?
This is all theory, I'm just wondering what you guys think? In the long run I'm sure this isn't smart to do everytime, but is it wrong here and there, especially in a tournament if you've got chips to spare? If you miss and he bets, easy laydown (same as AK when you raise basically) but if you hit you're likely going to get paid off.
Any feedback?
I had a question I wanted to ask, I think about reading calls when you bet but I forget so I'll post later. I don't normally play as I've said above, just got thinking about it and was wondering if anyone could prove me wrong? (assume you will, just curious)
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Posted Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:02 am GMT by crack
Few things with these hands.
It is a good call, when the stacks are deep, compared to the blinds, because the implied odds are big. for example, if you both have 100 big blinds, it can be an ok call with 78s if you know they have AA/KK because if you hit you are likely to be paid off, thats why in cash games you see a lot of raises called with pocket pairs, because the implied odds when hitting a set are big.
I don't tend to do it as much with suited connectors as i do pocket pairs.
In tournies I don;t usually get a big stack because I play tight, so I usually make these calls early in the tournaments.
Posted Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:07 am GMT by Jefecaminador
It depends on the size of the blinds compared to your stack. If you're both deep stack you can definately play suited connectors and take a flop. If one or both of you are short, you might want to avoid it.
Posted Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:08 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Ah okay. Yeh, obviously it's not something to be reckless with and you have to be able to afford it, etc. I see what you mean about the PPs though, surely a big payoff there. I was merely pointing out suited connectors due to the amount of outs you'll have plus it's a hidden hand (as a set is with a lower PP).
I like to make raises with suited connectors when I'm sure I'll only get 1 or 2 callers depending on the situation - again, good payoff if you hit. Was just wondering if it was a good call if you knew your villian had a high PP. Adversly, I suppose if you were sure your opponent was on AK calling with a low PP is a very good idea, huge payoff and you're ahead at first. But it's not like you can always know, but if you do notice a betting pattern these may be good calls at times I'd think, depending on chip stacks, blinds, etc.
Posted Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:13 am GMT by crack
I call in any position with most pocket pairs against most stamdard raises. I do this becayse usually to raise they do have a premium hand, and to sniff out a set is difficult, so you are likely to get paid off.
Suited connectors are great, but people have this tendancy to auto put you on a flush if there are 3 flush catds and a lot of opponents will shut down, so I don't think the suited connectors are as valuable as the pocket pairs.
Posted Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:22 am GMT by khaosanroad
| crack wrote: | I call in any position with most pocket pairs against most stamdard raises. I do this becayse usually to raise they do have a premium hand, and to sniff out a set is difficult, so you are likely to get paid off.
Suited connectors are great, but people have this tendancy to auto put you on a flush if there are 3 flush catds and a lot of opponents will shut down, so I don't think the suited connectors are as valuable as the pocket pairs. |
If it's a tight passive player who makes the raise, and I can get him heads up with position I'm on him like a fat kid on cake. If the flop comes up all low or mid cards I don't really need to even have a hand because I'm bringing the heat on his nitty arse and stealing the pot. Oh, and he can't be short stacked or even the nit will take his chances.
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:15 pm GMT by TheSalche
suited connectors play well in multi-way pots where you can see a flop for cheap, and the stacks are deep
they are the best hand against AA heads up, but when you hit flushes and straights with them, you're opponent may be able to see that easier and fold, but when you have a pair of 6s, and the flop is: K 9 6, you are going to make a lot of money because your opponent may think you are overplaying ace king
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