Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:19 pm GMT by Skribbles
***** Hand History for Game 4905366516 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:27107994 Level:4 Blinds(100/200) - Tuesday, August 08, 17:17:05 ET 2006
Table Regular(788995) Table #40 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: bubtrub ( 8115 )
Seat 2: impalachopin ( 6485 )
Seat 3: ichbindope ( 6910 )
Seat 4: hillcreast ( 9984 )
Seat 5: Dave_Babych8 ( 3615 )
Seat 6: grumpfuz ( 10505 )
Seat 7: Melvin3266 ( 1300 )
Seat 8: BitsnBobs ( 6576 )
Seat 9: IMGENEwhothePuckrU ( 11285 )
Seat 10: Wollytownmom ( 4600 )
Trny:27107994 Level:4
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dave_Babych8  
bubtrub folds.
impalachopin folds.
ichbindope folds.
hillcreast raises 400.
Dave_Babych8 raises 1000.
grumpfuz folds.
Melvin3266 folds.
BitsnBobs folds.
IMGENEwhothePuckrU folds.
Wollytownmom folds.
hillcreast calls 600.
** Dealing Flop **   
hillcreast is all-In 8984
Dave_Babych8 is all-In 2615
** Dealing Turn ** 
** Dealing River ** 
hillcreast shows   two pairs, sevens and fours.
Dave_Babych8 shows a pair of aces.
hillcreast wins 6369 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, sevens and fours.
hillcreast wins 7530 chips from the main pot with two pairs, sevens and fours.
Player Dave_Babych8 finished in 472 place
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Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:26 pm GMT by UrAteUp
WTF...this dude is the biggest ja in the world. This is the kind of play that makes you want to reach through the monitor and bitch slap someone. That is probably one of the baddest beats I have seen.
Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:29 pm GMT by Bobross139
w.o.w.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:56 am GMT by supafrey
what exactly is so bad about this?!
like - at all?!
I'm not even sarcastic.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:08 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| supafrey wrote: | what exactly is so bad about this?!
like - at all?!
I'm not even sarcastic. |
The thing is, Skribbs, you gave him WAY too high implied odds to fold, especially when there's no way for him to give you credit for AA exactly over two high cards.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:07 am GMT by Aves
Yeah, wtf is hillcreast doing!?! He shouldve checkraised you all in just in case you had overcards. What a dumb move. But otherwise, he played it fine.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:47 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
SOOTED!
lol, I wonder if he'd have called you if you had gone All-in preflop 
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:54 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| supafrey wrote: | what exactly is so bad about this?!
like - at all?!
I'm not even sarcastic. |
He called a 5xBB raise pre-flop with 74s. You don't think this is a bad move? Explain please if you don't. I am not being a wise ass here. I am curious to see how the logic behind this could work.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:00 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| UrAteUp wrote: | | He called a 5xBB raise pre-flop with 74s. You don't think this is a bad move? Explain please if you don't. I am not being a wise ass here. I am curious to see how the logic behind this could work. |
He had already killed a kitten and was getting almost 3:1 to call the reraise (600 into a 1700 pot). After the flop, it plays itself.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:41 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | He called a 5xBB raise pre-flop with 74s. You don't think this is a bad move? Explain please if you don't. I am not being a wise ass here. I am curious to see how the logic behind this could work. |
He had already killed a kitten and was getting almost 3:1 to call the reraise (600 into a 1700 pot). After the flop, it plays itself. |
Well said.
Sorry to say, but I'm usually the one who's dishing out these kind of beats. I would call almost every time the with 74s if I've already opened and I got reraised barely double, especially if I've got a mountain of chips like that.
UrAteUp, read the HH carefully. He opened the pot for a min-raise (could be ok if it's a passive table, or horrible if it's not... but I won't judge that), and got reraised only 600 more. My concern here is that while Skribbs wants to get value out of his Aces, he is laying good enough odds for almost any hand from the chip leader to call here and at least take a flop.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:51 pm GMT by Skribbles
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | My concern here is that while Skribbs wants to get value out of his Aces, he is laying good enough odds for almost any hand from the chip leader to call here and at least take a flop. |
Yes I wanted a caller, why not? I was confident that no one else behind would call 1000 (or 800+ from the blinds). Got what I wanted... guy got DAMN lucky.
But I suppose I should be good enough to fold AA on a flop of T74.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:06 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Skribbles wrote: | | xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | My concern here is that while Skribbs wants to get value out of his Aces, he is laying good enough odds for almost any hand from the chip leader to call here and at least take a flop. |
Yes I wanted a caller, why not? I was confident that no one else behind would call 1000 (or 800+ from the blinds). Got what I wanted... guy got DAMN lucky.
But I suppose I should be good enough to fold AA on a flop of T74. |
No not at all. I'd go broke the same as you.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:28 pm GMT by TheSalche
| Skribbles wrote: | | But I suppose I should be good enough to fold AA on a flop of T74. |
Helmuth would've folded it, cause he can dodge bullets baby.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:15 pm GMT by Bobross139
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | He called a 5xBB raise pre-flop with 74s. You don't think this is a bad move? Explain please if you don't. I am not being a wise ass here. I am curious to see how the logic behind this could work. |
He had already killed a kitten and was getting almost 3:1 to call the reraise (600 into a 1700 pot). After the flop, it plays itself. |
I think you guys are giving the 7-4 offsuit guy too much credit. Do you actually think that logic actually went through his head? Do you honestly think he was sitting there thinking "oh, I've got approximately 3:1 odds to call this player's reraise. What a great price, I'll call." The guy minraised with 7-4 offsuit, he can't be that good of a player.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:29 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Bobross139 wrote: | | The guy minraised with 7-4 offsuit, he can't be that good of a player. |
#1, it was suited.
#2, he opened the pot.
#3, we have no idea what he was thinking.
#4, you can't judge his skill from one hand.
Go back to whining about your 7 in a row, before I stop giving you too much credit.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:33 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | Bobross139 wrote: | | The guy minraised with 7-4 offsuit, he can't be that good of a player. |
#1, it was suited.
#2, he opened the pot.
#3, we have no idea what he was thinking.
#4, you can't judge his skill from one hand.
Go back to whining about your 7 in a row, before I stop giving you too much credit. |
quoted ftw.
Love the new avatar Skribbs. 
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:34 pm GMT by supafrey
| Bobross139 wrote: | | Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | He called a 5xBB raise pre-flop with 74s. You don't think this is a bad move? Explain please if you don't. I am not being a wise ass here. I am curious to see how the logic behind this could work. |
He had already killed a kitten and was getting almost 3:1 to call the reraise (600 into a 1700 pot). After the flop, it plays itself. |
I think you guys are giving the 7-4 offsuit guy too much credit. Do you actually think that logic actually went through his head? Do you honestly think he was sitting there thinking "oh, I've got approximately 3:1 odds to call this player's reraise. What a great price, I'll call." The guy minraised with 7-4 offsuit, he can't be that good of a player. |
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:38 pm GMT by crack
You see, this is the thing about tournaments.
He min raised I assume to be some kind of a bully or whatever, he made a bad move with the min raise, he did however back himself into a good move by calling with the implied odds he was getting.
He may not have even known he was making a good move, but he was.
That's why I am not too keen on tournaments too much, if you get what I am saying.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:42 pm GMT by zinn0
| crack wrote: | | That's why I am not too keen on tournaments too much, if you get what I am saying. |
This coming from the guy who has won thousands in the past week alone at mtt's.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:50 pm GMT by crack
Yeah, but I still am not too keen on them.
If someone said to me play cash or tournies only it would be cash.
Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:53 pm GMT by vyni
Way too much attention to the cards in 47s hands, not enough attention to the chip stacks. Sitting between Mr 47 and the blinds was the tables short stack, who it can be assumed will be looking for cheap flops. The table has folded around to him, a min raise is a weak attempt at stealing the blinds, but how strong do you bluff with 47?
This isnt a 'stupid' move on mr 47s part. He's made it so the short stack has to have something to get involved, and taken away the check from the bb.
What played out afterwards, just an ugly situation but it happens. The raise back at him... the short stack just said to him I have a hand and want to play. A larger bet wouldnt have been worth the risk, so a small raise back to him to milk him was a decent move. Pushing would have ended the hand right there, and you would have made all off 700 chips with rockets. Think both players played just fine here. One of the chip leaders risking 400 chips to steal 300 in blinds... how is that out of the ordinary.
imho.
Posted Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:41 pm GMT by mrcfkane
when i first started playing poker i always thought that the min raises pf was some monster hand
now i realize that the majority of the time it is some suited connecter, or other marginal hand like qj off or kj off,looking to play poker with the blinds.... i dont like giving these hands good odds to call bc if they miss the will likely give up but if they hit big i will lose all my chips
i personally like his push on the flop. he knew you were strong and was prolly thinking you'd call a push.
before seeing his cards i thought you were up against 98 hearts or 56 hearts....both of which were slight favorites on the flop...i wouldve lost all my chips like you
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