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Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:28 pm GMT by ninetensuited
Stage #467653445 Tourney ID 1167837 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20 - 2006-08-08 21:31:07 (ET)
Table: 12 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 1 - DBX111 ($1500 in chips)
Seat 2 - POCKET4S ($1500 in chips)
Seat 3 - JOANNA08 ($1500 in chips)
Seat 4 - PHOBIAA ($1500 in chips)
Seat 5 - LNEVENS91 ($1500 in chips)
Seat 6 - JOEYPASTA ($1500 in chips)
Seat 7 - GTHOMAN ($1500 in chips)
Seat 8 - DUCKY123 ($1500 in chips)
Seat 9 - WOLFMANRAN ($1500 in chips)
PHOBIAA - Posts small blind $10
LNEVENS91 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DBX111 Three of HeartsThree of Diamonds
JOEYPASTA - Folds
GTHOMAN - Folds
DUCKY123 - Folds
WOLFMANRAN - Calls $20
DBX111 - Calls $20
POCKET4S - Folds
JOANNA08 - Calls $20
PHOBIAA - Folds
LNEVENS91 - Raises $20 to $40
WOLFMANRAN - Calls $20
DBX111 - Calls $20
JOANNA08 - Calls $20
*** FLOP *** Four of DiamondsQueen of ClubsThree of Clubs
LNEVENS91 - Checks
WOLFMANRAN - Checks
DBX111 - Checks
JOANNA08 - Bets $140
LNEVENS91 - Folds
WOLFMANRAN - Folds
DBX111 - Calls $140
*** TURN *** Four of DiamondsQueen of ClubsThree of Clubs Two of Hearts
DBX111 - Checks
JOANNA08 - Bets $300
DBX111 - All-In(Raise) $1320 to $1320
JOANNA08 - Folds
DBX111 - returned ($1020) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DBX111 - Does not show
DBX111 Collects $1050 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1050)
Board Four of DiamondsQueen of ClubsThree of ClubsTwo of Hearts
Seat 1: DBX111 collected Total ($1050) All-In HI:($1050) Does not show
Seat 2: POCKET4S Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: JOANNA08 (dealer) Folded on the TURN
Seat 4: PHOBIAA (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: LNEVENS91 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: JOEYPASTA Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: GTHOMAN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: DUCKY123 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: WOLFMANRAN Folded on the FLOP





Stage #467663689 Tourney ID 1167837 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $30 - 2006-08-08 21:41:05 (ET)
Table: 12 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 1 - DBX111 ($2130 in chips)
Seat 2 - POCKET4S ($1450 in chips)
Seat 3 - BMICH72 ($1280 in chips)
Seat 4 - PHOBIAA ($1450 in chips)
Seat 5 - LNEVENS91 ($1350 in chips)
Seat 6 - JOEYPASTA ($1980 in chips)
Seat 7 - GTHOMAN ($1340 in chips)
Seat 8 - DUCKY123 ($1470 in chips)
Seat 9 - WOLFMANRAN ($2550 in chips)
BMICH72 - Posts small blind $15
PHOBIAA - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DBX111 Queen of DiamondsAce of Diamonds
LNEVENS91 - Calls $30
JOEYPASTA - Folds
GTHOMAN - Calls $30
DUCKY123 - Folds
WOLFMANRAN - Calls $30
DBX111 - Calls $30
POCKET4S - Folds
BMICH72 - Folds
PHOBIAA - Checks
*** FLOP *** King of ClubsQueen of ClubsQueen of Spades
PHOBIAA - Checks
LNEVENS91 - Checks
GTHOMAN - Checks
WOLFMANRAN - Checks
DBX111 - Checks
*** TURN *** King of ClubsQueen of ClubsQueen of Spades Ace of Hearts
PHOBIAA - Checks
LNEVENS91 - Bets $30
GTHOMAN - Calls $30
WOLFMANRAN - Raises $180 to $180
DBX111 - Calls $180
PHOBIAA - Folds
LNEVENS91 - Calls $150
GTHOMAN - Folds
*** RIVER *** King of ClubsQueen of ClubsQueen of SpadesAce of Hearts Four of Clubs
LNEVENS91 - Checks
WOLFMANRAN - Bets $60
DBX111 - Raises $240 to $240
LNEVENS91 - Calls $240
WOLFMANRAN - Folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DBX111 - Shows Queen of DiamondsAce of Diamonds (Full house, queens full of aces)
LNEVENS91 - Mucks
DBX111 Collects $1275 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1275)
Board King of ClubsQueen of ClubsQueen of SpadesAce of HeartsFour of Clubs
Seat 1: DBX111 won Total ($1275) HI:($1275) with Full house, queens full of aces Queen of DiamondsAce of Diamonds- Queen of SpadesQueen of DiamondsQueen of ClubsAce of HeartsAce of Diamonds
Seat 2: POCKET4S (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: BMICH72 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: PHOBIAA (big blind) Folded on the TURN
Seat 5: LNEVENS91 HI: Mucked Ace of SpadesEight of Hearts
Seat 6: JOEYPASTA Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: GTHOMAN Folded on the TURN
Seat 8: DUCKY123 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: WOLFMANRAN Folded on the RIVER






Stage #467705053 Tourney ID 1167837 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $100 - 2006-08-08 22:21:49 (ET)
Table: 27 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 1 - CANDI103 ($3930 in chips)
Seat 2 - EAMZIE ($3075 in chips)
Seat 4 - LUCKY777007 ($6170 in chips)
Seat 5 - RICCCO32 ($5350 in chips)
Seat 6 - RYE100 ($2205 in chips)
Seat 7 - DPALM852 ($3655 in chips)
Seat 8 - DBX111 ($3055 in chips)
Seat 9 - JAKE767 ($6365 in chips)
RYE100 - Posts small blind $50
DPALM852 - Posts big blind $100
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DBX111 Jack of DiamondsAce of Clubs
DBX111 - Calls $100
JAKE767 - Folds
CANDI103 - Folds
EAMZIE - Folds
LUCKY777007 - Calls $100
RICCCO32 - Calls $100
RYE100 - Folds
DPALM852 - Checks
*** FLOP *** Four of SpadesSix of SpadesJack of Clubs
DPALM852 - Checks
DBX111 - Bets $900
LUCKY777007 - Folds
RICCCO32 - Folds
DPALM852 - Folds
DBX111 - returned ($900) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DBX111 - Does not show
DBX111 Collects $450 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($450)
Board Four of SpadesSix of SpadesJack of Clubs
Seat 1: CANDI103 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: EAMZIE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: LUCKY777007 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: RICCCO32 (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: RYE100 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: DPALM852 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 8: DBX111 collected Total ($450) HI:($450) Does not show
Seat 9: JAKE767 Folded on the POCKET CARDS


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Posted Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:35 pm GMT by crack
Hand 1:Raise the flop, its early, you don't need to be slowplaying with a hand you might not possibly be able to get away from or get bluffed at.

Hand 2: Raise PF. Also, why ar you giving so many people a free card? There can so easily be a flush or straight draw out there that can draw out on you on the turn, just so you can get greedy and try and extract that little bit more. Bet it.

Hand 3: Raise or fold, don't call with this hand, you are asking for trouble.



Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:09 am GMT by MrDarling
H1 . well I also started to slow play sets and trips , and this board doesn't seem to scary to me. Though I would probably check raise the flop - and on the turn , if you check raise , and you are fairly a head , was is your raise so big? Don't you want him to call?

H2 Raise preflop. I would be worry about a flush. I am always worry about a flush. But its a gamble you sometimes have to take. Only a really big push will scare flush draw away. And even an allin wont always do.
Once the boat came, I will defiantly slow it down. Isn't the river bet a little small though? What was the pot size ?

H3 I almost never fold AJo - and I though I was tight. I would probably raise preflop here. The flop bet is big - maybe a little too big. With the blinds in play you can't know what they are holding. What if someone did hit 2 pairs? you are losing a big bet to get this info. A pot size bet, or a pot and a half would get the same result if no hit, and will let you know slightly cheaper if someone did it!

but hi , what do I know....



Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:32 pm GMT by Jauron
Really don't understand the bet amounts for hands 1 and 3 when you bet, and this is coming from a guy who doesn't value bet much. Build a pot before you throw down an insane bet or have the kind of read on a guy that makes that move worth doing.

900 into a 450 pot?



Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:44 pm GMT by Ryan231
You could of extracted a lot more money from hands 1 and 3 for sure. You hit a decent flop with AJ and then go crazy, my rule is that if I'm going to make a bet to open the action its generally not going to be bigger than the pot. Bet 300 with the AJ when you hit top pair and then see what they do.

On hand 1 raise the flop 2.5-3x the original bet then if he bets the turn do the same thing, if he checks the turn then bet about 1/2 - 3/4 the pot. IMO your leaving a lot of money on the table when you hit a good hand not raising with AQs is a fairly large mistake especially when the blinds are low like that especially after 3 limpers, AQ is good but not invincible.

As you play more tournaments like this you'll realize that hands like the ones you've shown don't often happen, you may only hit flops like that once in a game. You must learn to maximaze the amount of chips you can extract when you have strong hands like the ones shown.



Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:48 pm GMT by ninetensuited
i dont remember, but at the time i think my reasoning for the big bet w/ AJ was to get the flush draw out.





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