Posted Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:22 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
Okay, this is like the WORST flop for KK. What I'm wondering is, did I play it correctly? It seems to me that unless someone is holding AA/AK they would bet incase someone else is holding A with a better kicker. I let the check come around and it seemed like everyone was weak and possibly on draws. On turn I figured I need to push out the flush draws, just in case I am ahead. I was most worried about the guy behind me as he again called my bet on the turn. On the river I had no clue what to do. If I check, I know he'll bet and I'll need to fold. I chose instead to bet, I didn't bet much (a mistake maybe) and he folded. It just baffled me that I had 3 callers, none with Ax. Is there anything I can do differently here? Either to protect myself, get better info, etc? Thanks
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Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:44 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I think you played it fine. It's actually better for KK when two Aces flop instead of just one, because the chances of someone having an Ace, given the board and the action, are greatly reduced when two are already out.
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:06 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Yeah that flop didn't really seem that bad.
The worst flop I can see for your K  K  would be..
A  J 9
Nasty 8).
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:58 am GMT by mooseontheloose
hehe okay. I guess I just figured that out of all the callers there'd be at least one Ace/rag hand. That's a good point though Diamond about 2 Aces over just 1, never thought about it. Should I have bet the flop though, or was I correct to check to look for strength from the guy behind me?
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:16 am GMT by crack
I didn't like your play.
I think if you had raised preflop you should have bet the flop representing an Ace. If someone had bet big on the turn you would probably have folded putting them on an Ace.
You have shown strength preflop now follow it up.
Say I did check it and get to the turn, put in a bigger bet on the turn, you are giving people odds to outdraw you.
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:20 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Okay thank you. That is what I wanted to know, was somewhat expecting a response like that. I usually always follow up my preflop raises, for some reason though I decided not to here. On the plus side, I probably won more money the way it played out as all would've likely folded the flop. But thanks, have to make sure I continuation bet in this situation then.
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:38 am GMT by Dat_Dude
I agree with crack. If you raise preflop, the only way you know if your opponent called your raise with an Ace is to bet the flop when two appear. It is scary seeing 2 Aces when you have Kings, but like Diamond said, not as scary as just 1 Ace.
I think a continuation bet is in order on that flop of 1/2 pot and if you get called, keep the bets small (like you did on the turn and river) so you can toss it away if you get pushed back.
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:41 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Great, thanks.
Posted Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:11 am GMT by Jefecaminador
I actually don't mind the check on the flop. If you were holding AK on that flop how would you play it? I bet a lot of ppl would slow play and just check. On a flop like that, you aren't making much money anyway so you might as well keep the pot small just in case they're holding an ace.
As for the turn bet.... Its waay to small. You wanna bet at least 1/2 the pot and prolly closer to 3/4 the pot. Both to find out where you are, and to discourage draws.
And for the river... No real point in betting here, either they're on a busted draw or they have an ace/weak or possible a smaller pair. Might as well check here, and try to induce a bluff, as long as he doesnt bet out tooo much, I think its safe to call.
Posted Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:22 am GMT by crack
| Jefecaminador wrote: | | I actually don't mind the check on the flop. If you were holding AK on that flop how would you play it? |
I'd play it fast a lot of the time and slow some of the time.
Posted Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:05 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
| crack wrote: | | Jefecaminador wrote: | | I actually don't mind the check on the flop. If you were holding AK on that flop how would you play it? |
I'd play it fast a lot of the time and slow some of the time. |
Is that because your opponents are expecting you to play it slow on the flop?
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am GMT by MrDarling
first, lets all remember this is a $0.02 game. In this levels people might call preflop with rags, and some will consider Ax the nuts.
So it is real hard to put people on hands in these levels (at least for me).
As for your play, I agree, if you don't bet the flop you have no idea what kind of hands you are against.
If I had an A in this hand, I would have slow played it - if my kicker was big enough...
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