my S&G challenge - live update |
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Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:37 am GMT by MrDarling
Ok , decided to start documenting my S&G progress.
Played 3 so far (am playing mainly one at a time)
2X9 players , 1 45 players - all at $1+$0.25
finished 2 time ITM (3rd and 4th)
my busting hands :
45 players , FT :
Full Tilt Poker Game #882013359: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (5899698), Table 2 - 600/1200 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:30:01 ET - 2006/08/10
Seat 1: jj2hooks (29,840)
Seat 6: binger04 (11,186)
Seat 8: wuppie (13,358)
Seat 9: MrDarling (13,116)
MrDarling posts the small blind of 600
jj2hooks posts the big blind of 1,200
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling  
binger04 folds
wuppie raises to 2,400
MrDarling calls 1,800
jj2hooks calls 1,200
*** FLOP ***   
MrDarling bets 2,000
jj2hooks folds
wuppie raises to 10,958, and is all in
MrDarling has 15 seconds left to act
MrDarling calls 8,716, and is all in
wuppie shows  
MrDarling shows
Uncalled bet of 242 returned to wuppie
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
wuppie shows a straight, Ace high
MrDarling shows a pair of Nines
wuppie wins the pot (28,632) with a straight, Ace high
MrDarling: ouch
Runner runner took me out!
9 players - am SS
Full Tilt Poker Game #881925373: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (Turbo) (5900169), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:58:57 ET - 2006/08/10
Seat 6: pushinpuddin (6,155)
Seat 7: MrDarling (1,425)
Seat 9: RedDawg420 (5,920)
pushinpuddin posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling  
pushinpuddin: u2
MrDarling raises to 800
RedDawg420 folds
pushinpuddin raises to 1,400
MrDarling raises to 1,425, and is all in
pushinpuddin calls 25
MrDarling shows
pushinpuddin shows  
*** FLOP ***  
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
MrDarling shows two pair, Queens and Fives
pushinpuddin shows three of a kind, Fives
pushinpuddin wins the pot (2,850) with three of a kind, Fives
MrDarling stands up
think I made the right call - got rivered , again
9 players , FT am SS again :
Full Tilt Poker Game #881875612: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (Turbo) (5899806), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:20:42 ET - 2006/08/10
Seat 1: Gamble13 (4,855)
Seat 2: smiley67 (2,025)
Seat 5: MrDarling (1,850)
Seat 8: ED Rider (4,770)
smiley67 posts the small blind of 100
MrDarling posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling
ED Rider folds
Gamble13 has 15 seconds left to act
Gamble13 folds
smiley67 calls 100
MrDarling raises to 1,850, and is all in
smiley67 calls 1,650
MrDarling shows
smiley67 shows 
MrDarling: ouch
*** FLOP ***  
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
MrDarling shows a pair of Fives
smiley67 shows a flush, Ace high
smiley67 wins the pot (3,700) with a flush, Ace high
MrDarling stands up
Bad call or just plain old bad luck?
Feel free to comment, will post update as I go along.
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Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:01 am GMT by mooseontheloose
I'd say the 55 hand wasn't the best move. The blinds weren't that big yet and you were only 200 back from the guy in 3rd. I think you could've found a better spot without putting all your chips on a small PP. Maybe not, just seems that way to me.
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:28 am GMT by UrAteUp
cleanup...isle 1. 
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:28 am GMT by UrAteUp
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:29 am GMT by UrAteUp
Hand 1) I don't think you made a bad call here. This was a coin flip at best and you just lost the flip.
Hand 2) Again right call but terrible luck.
Hand 3) As you said yourself, the push with 55 was not the greatest play. Watch for people limping with a big hands late in SNG play. They know other marginal hands are out there and someone will most likely raise with them hoping to hit a good flop, such as you. These big hands are usuall a good way of setting up a good trap with favorible flops. He didn't need the flush to beat you. The AA had you all along.
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:40 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Holy triple post Batman!
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:55 am GMT by MrDarling
Well I checked , Hand 1 I was actually almost 71% to win on the flop. So I had a good read just very bad luck.
Hand 2 , I knew he was trying to steal. Again I just got extemly unlucky.
Hand 3 , with 4 people on the table and only SB complete the blinds - I think I made the right call. In HU when you have a pair its usually strong.
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:09 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Hand #2 - Push PF. You have under 10xBB, no sence in raising to 800.
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:48 pm GMT by MrDarling
played 4 more and didn't make it ITM - got busted from the last one with this :
Full Tilt Poker Game #883210487: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (5908187), Table 3 - 150/300 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:39:15 ET - 2006/08/10
Seat 1: Assassin4G (3,590)
Seat 3: MrDarling (2,670)
Seat 4: WhiteUnicorn (2,760)
Seat 5: applejak3 (8,305)
Seat 6: 1slander (2,250)
Seat 7: kudra1978 (3,765)
Seat 8: buhula (1,010)
Seat 9: ToToTang (11,985)
WhiteUnicorn posts the small blind of 150
applejak3 posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling 
1slander folds
kudra1978 calls 300
buhula folds
ToToTang folds
Assassin4G has 15 seconds left to act
Assassin4G calls 300
MrDarling raises to 1,050
WhiteUnicorn folds
applejak3 has 15 seconds left to act
applejak3 is sitting out
applejak3 has timed out
applejak3 folds
kudra1978 calls 750
Assassin4G folds
*** FLOP *** 
kudra1978 bets 300
MrDarling raises to 1,620, and is all in
kudra1978 calls 1,320
MrDarling shows
kudra1978 shows
applejak3 has returned
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
MrDarling shows a pair of Queens
kudra1978 shows two pair, Queens and Tens
kudra1978 wins the pot (6,090) with two pair, Queens and Tens
MrDarling stands up
Should have probably go allin preflop. But I was still 54% to win on the flop.
This game I didn't get any cards. Played only 5 hands until the break. show only 20% of the flops...
Now I'm negative in this experiment ...
Have to check HH of the other 3 I played today, I think in them it was mostly my error. In the above game I think I played good, simply didn't get enough cards and got unlucky with this last hand
Thoughts?
Posted Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:31 pm GMT by Oasis
Currently i'm on an average of 67% ITM and 100.53% ROI; with a profit of $11.60. Of course this is going to fall over time, but for the minute i'm pleased.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:25 pm GMT by MrDarling
is this a sign from the poker Gods ?
http://www.pokerhand.org/?451152
Flopped a str8 (the nuts at the moment)
Manage to drive to players to allin.
At this point I'm 71% to win...
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:28 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Sh*t happens. You got your money in with the best hand, and your opponent didn't really make a bad call with his 2 pair.
Better luck next time.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:34 pm GMT by MrDarling
The above was the 4th hand in the tourney.
This is the second hand of the next one :
http://www.pokerhand.org/?451158
I'm done for today.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:37 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Ouch. Once again you played that fine though. Tough break that he hit his set - very little you can do there.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:48 pm GMT by MrDarling
Thanks for the quick reply.
You know, I don't think I played my A's too well.
Dude called my preflop raise.
Then called my flop bet ( though it wasn't that good)
But when he reraised my turn bet I should have though about whats going on. Sure its hard to lay down A's , but in this case....
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:51 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Folding AA is usually difficult at the beginning of sng/tournament especially online and even more especially with the small buyin. I think you played the aces fine, and 80% of the time you will win with them in this particular situation.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:19 pm GMT by UrAteUp
That AA hand couldn't be avoided really. I don't know of any players who might lay down AA. My only guess as to how you might have known your were beat would have been when villian pushed after the flop. Don't think I could have laid down AA then either though.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:58 pm GMT by craggoo
Since we're talking about SNG records, this current record is in $.50+.$.10 AP SNG's.
1st- 4
2nd- 7
3rd- 7
No Cash- 12
MTT $.50 + $.10
4th - 1
61% ITM with a 67% ROI and a profit of $7.15
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:46 pm GMT by craggoo
Just went out on 2 consecutive hands. I was pushing every other hand and its down to 4 handed. I lose with 66 to K7 (coinflip). Next hand i lose with A8 vs A2 despite flopping an 8. He goes runner runner hearts to cripple my stack. I hope this isnt a sign of a bad day to come with these back to back beats.
Posted Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:27 pm GMT by MrDarling
here is another gem to the collection :
playing a 45 S&G , every hand I don't play I flop the nuts (or near enough , two pairs, str8's boats etc)
Then this happen :
http://www.pokerhand.org/?453882
I¡ve played 13 games and make it only 2 ITM
Posted Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:10 pm GMT by MrDarling
and another first hand in a 9 S&G ... keep in mind this is a $1.25 buyin
http://www.pokerhand.org/?453950
the odds must be in my favor with them having only 4 main outs...
Posted Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:25 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
You're only about a 3-2 favourite with your JJ there but I understand you're in a slump right now.
Don't worry - they all end eventually and then you'll get back to winning your SnGs.
Posted Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:24 pm GMT by MrDarling
You misread the hand. I'm holding J's against two AKo .. allin preflop
I'm 64% to win preflop.
the hand above I flopped a set against KTo
flop is TJ9 rainbow , and dude got runner runner for a boat...
but not to worry, what I lose in this low level, I make up playing low level omaha and stud..
Posted Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:26 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Fixed my mistake, was just a typo. You were still just barely better than a 3-2 favourite.
Posted Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:09 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| MrDarling wrote: | Well I checked , Hand 1 I was actually almost 71% to win on the flop. So I had a good read just very bad luck.
Hand 2 , I knew he was trying to steal. Again I just got extemly unlucky.
Hand 3 , with 4 people on the table and only SB complete the blinds - I think I made the right call. In HU when you have a pair its usually strong. |
Hand 2 - You got your chips in with the worst hand - I wouldn't call that bad luck.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:01 am GMT by MrDarling
| 1988 TR wrote: | | Hand 2 - You got your chips in with the worst hand - I wouldn't call that bad luck. |
Really ?
I've got around 14XBB left in me. Do you really wait in this case to better cards? like stated above, my main mistake was not going allin to begin with.
Don't forget, in a 3 players table, 2 face connectors is a pretty strong hand in my book.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:38 pm GMT by MrDarling
for any one who still follow : just won two S&G in a row.
9 player and a 45 players one , both in the low levels of $1+$0.25
This hand got me to stay in the 9 one and probably lead me to win it :
In my meek defense, the guy just went allin the previous hand preflop - who does that on beginning of tourney, when the blind are so small and no one opened the pot yet.
I would probably not called a raise with this hand (well, I often do, but I know I should) and would definitely wouldn't call a reraise on that flop.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?455262
Second game again, was pretty lucky , limped in with low pockets from UTG , LP calls, SB calls , BB go allin .
http://www.pokerhand.org/?455371
I got both blinds covered but am a dog to LP.
So I push all my stack in. LP fold, SB calls his SS
scary flop , if I wasn't allin, I would have folded to it!
What I learn, beside the fact that you need to gamble sometimes . For example lost a hugh chunk when my chips in this hand :
http://www.pokerhand.org/?455384
Even though I had loads of outs - I think it was probably a bad call.
His allin really didn't give me odds to call. I knew he had TP (actually thought he had a better kicker)
I started playing much more suited connectors , as well as high connectors . Learned to steal with decent hands (actually any Ax once we were ITM)
But I think beside willing to put the money with the good cards, I simply was lucky and did manage to get loads of cards.
I'm not sure my game improved soo much. It did a little , I've started to lay down hands I played before and managed not to call for all my chip with a semi hand.
Well , my ITM is now 23% and my ROI is now 24% (though at least I am ahead)
Posted Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:19 am GMT by MrDarling
here is an upgrade, though I'm a shamed to share it.
According to my lists :
total played : 33
total cost :$45
ITM : 18.8%
ROI : -18.44%
ouch.
(though according to SharkScope S&G tracker I played 66 and my ROI is 33% , slightly better but still , ouch!)
just busted from another one 14 left , am 3rd in chips with this hand :
Full Tilt Poker Game #929739937: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (6253763), Table 1 - 120/240 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:54:55 ET - 2006/08/24
Seat 1: randy57t (8,178)
Seat 2: brosan111 (4,826)
Seat 3: boltfan3 (697)
Seat 4: MrDarling (8,310)
Seat 5: imjustagirl2 (3,570)
Seat 7: hamjam1 (735)
Seat 8: cabeachgal (3,900)
Seat 9: sjmisfit (4,600)
sjmisfit posts the small blind of 120
randy57t posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling 
brosan111 calls 240
boltfan3 raises to 697, and is all in
MrDarling raises to 1,554
imjustagirl2 folds
hamjam1 folds
cabeachgal folds
sjmisfit folds
randy57t calls 1,314
brosan111 folds
*** FLOP ***
randy57t has 15 seconds left to act
randy57t bets 6,624, and is all in
MrDarling calls 6,624
randy57t shows
boltfan3 shows  
MrDarling shows
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
randy57t shows a full house, Queens full of Kings
MrDarling shows two pair, Aces and Kings
randy57t wins the side pot (14,962) with a full house, Queens full of Kings
boltfan3 shows two pair, Kings and Queens
boltfan3: gg all
randy57t wins the main pot (2,451) with a full house, Queens full of Kings
boltfan3 stands up
Posted Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:27 am GMT by mooseontheloose
It seems like you're mainly playing the 45-person SnGs so I can understand the difficulty in getting ITM. I used to play these on Stars ($1 45-person) and recently gave it up, thankfully moving up to $5 9-person. After struggling to be consistant in the MTT SnGs I'm quite happily doing well in the STT ones, it's just less random. I think if you were playing STTs you may want to be concerned about your numbers, but in a 45-person game where top 7 (at Stars) are paid (and only top 3 get anything decent) it's tough to overcome the bad luck and random plays and place ITM consistantly.
Maybe it's different at higher stakes, but that's my take on the $1 MTT SnGs.
Posted Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:34 am GMT by MrDarling
problem is , where I play, 9 players is turbo game only. So it make the game more random. I'm actually doing better in the 45 then in the 9.
And I simply can't afford the $5 yet.
My BR had loads of swings and is now went under $15...
Since I do not want to deposit until I improve my game, my plan is to play ring , sitting with the min in 10NL ($2.5-$3) and leave when I double up.
And play few S&G - I still like the 45 better , 5th there is paid better then 1st on the 9.
Danny
Posted Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:21 pm GMT by MrDarling
once again I make the right read. But is it the right call?
First hand S&G :
Full Tilt Poker Game #930561069: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (6260430), Table 3 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:16:26 ET - 2006/08/24
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling 
edh1238 calls 30
kevqtmn folds
greedy sweety folds
CALT folds
MrDarling raises to 90
Acesup2u folds
annt folds
32550 calls 75
KittyQuinn folds
edh1238 calls 60
*** FLOP ***  
32550 checks
edh1238 checks
MrDarling bets 150
32550 calls 150
edh1238 folds
*** TURN ***
32550 checks
MrDarling bets 250
32550 raises to 1,260, and is all in
MrDarling calls 1,010, and is all in
32550 shows  
MrDarling shows
*** RIVER *** 
32550 shows a straight, Eight high
MrDarling shows a pair of Tens
32550 wins the pot (3,120) with a straight, Eight high
MrDarling stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,120 | Rake 0
Board:
Seat 1: 32550 (small blind) showed and won (3,120) with a straight, Eight high
Seat 2: KittyQuinn (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: edh1238 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: kevqtmn didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: greedy sweety didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: CALT didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: MrDarling showed and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 8: Acesup2u didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: annt (button) didn't bet (folded)
Should I get the hint and quit?
Posted Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:05 pm GMT by MrDarling
update
Decided to concentrate in S&G to try and rebuild my BR .
And decided to try the 9 players - even though its turbo and I hate it.
Won 2 in a row..
Though the 2nd , we were HU almost even (I had a little more)
I get AJs and decided I'll push this all the way.
He calls from the SB , I min raise , he min raise I push.
He
Its only $4.5 , but winning 2 almost doubled my BR , so I can't complain.
Now I've registered to the $1 MTT that just started and will try my luck there.
Did pretty well , Got over 8000 chip toward the first break, average stack was around 4000 and then this happened :
http://www.pokerhand.org/?473305
Raise preflop was attempt at stealing the blinds - though I had live cards.
Flop was as good as it can get - I think.
I was worried about flush - but I think I did the right move.
Comments?
anyway ,
few rounds after - my M was lower then 10 and I called someone allin with KJo - figured he had a small pocket pair , and decided to gamble. His 8's held , even though the flop was 3QT...
though I made it to 202 out of 757 , I feel a little cheated 
Posted Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:22 pm GMT by MrDarling
more update :
Took some time off from cash games.
played few freerolls and even loads of playmoney - just to get my A game back - S&G play money is not that much different then low level S&G..
Kept my $5 BR where it is.
Slowly started playing again - my last 3 S&G I finished ITM - 1 time 3rd and 2 time 1st.
Though today's started insane : 1st hand UTG+2 , almost folded 69s, but decided to play it for some reason : flop came -
699
4 to the flop.
everybody check LP min bet , UTG min raise, I call.
turn 2
UTG bet the pot
I call, button call
River K
UTG push . call call
UTG, poor sod had 9J
Button has J2 - wtf?
Next hand UTG with JTo
call, call - BB 3XBB call call
Flop a str8
BB bet the pot - I raise (2 suited board) villain call
turn J - check - I bet villain allin.
Pure guy had A's
2 hands and I bust 3 players...
Is my luck changing?
I actually lost my lead and had 5k to CL 8.5k on HU
so I also played some.. Good ol' A poker finally works
Posted Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:03 am GMT by TheSalche
Some comments for ya Darling,
The king 10 hand you posted, bad idea to be raising preflop with that, a few reasons.
1. Relatively weak hand ... even though the stakes are low, players can be calling with stronger hands, and a lot of times do limp with hands like AQ, KJ, etc.
2. Early on ... you don't want to be risking a lot of chips in the first few levels of a tournament. If you feel like you are getting impatient waiting for premium hands, play more tables and that will get you 'less bored.'
3. Your position isn't all that great
I'd tend to fold preflop, or maybe limp. Big pots for big hands ... remember that.
That being said you played it fine afterwards, at this level I'd be expecting to be ahead a lot here.
You need to stop focusing so much on results. Tournies will mess with your mind as much as cash games will in terms of bad beats. The difference is the money lost. Expect to get beat up bad in low buy-in SnGs.
I'd also reccomend not playing in the 45 sngs ... that is much more like a MTT setup and its going to have a LOT more variance that a 9 or 10 person SnG.
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