Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:39 am GMT by Oasis
PokerStars Game #5874982143: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/08/11 - 03:35:53 (ET)
Table 'Muschi' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cubbieking ($14.15 in chips)
Seat 2: turboveedub ($8.40 in chips)
Seat 3: DHolley00 ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 4: bigjeet ($18.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Oasis88 ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 6: MikeTwho? ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 7: time2rebuy ($10 in chips)
Seat 8: Houf Ucter ($11.45 in chips)
Seat 9: andres358 ($13.40 in chips)
bigjeet: posts small blind $0.05
Oasis88: posts big blind $0.10
time2rebuy: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Oasis88  
MikeTwho?: folds
time2rebuy: raises $0.10 to $0.20
Houf Ucter: folds
Houf Ucter leaves the table
DHolley00 is disconnected
andres358: folds
cubbieking: calls $0.20
turboveedub: calls $0.20
mjoo82 joins the table at seat #8
DHolley00 has timed out while disconnected
DHolley00: folds
DHolley00 is sitting out
bigjeet: calls $0.15
Oasis88: raises $0.60 to $0.80
time2rebuy: calls $0.60
cubbieking: folds
turboveedub: folds
bigjeet: folds
*** FLOP ***   
Oasis88: bets $1
time2rebuy: calls $1
*** TURN *** 
DHolley00 is connected
Oasis88: checks
time2rebuy: bets $2
DHolley00 has returned
Oasis88: calls $2
*** RIVER *** 
Oasis88: checks
time2rebuy: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Oasis88: shows (high card Ace)
time2rebuy: shows   (a pair of Fives)
time2rebuy collected $7.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.20 | Rake $0.40
Board
Seat 1: cubbieking folded before Flop
Seat 2: turboveedub folded before Flop
Seat 3: DHolley00 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bigjeet (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Oasis88 (big blind) showed and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: MikeTwho? folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: time2rebuy showed and won ($7.80) with a pair of Fives
Seat 8: Houf Ucter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: andres358 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Crazy. :
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Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:52 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I don't see any reason to continue on the turn. You're not really getting very good odds for a 6-outter (or less, if he had a flush draw, as he did), and one of your overcards (the ace, most likely) could be counterfeit.
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Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:55 am GMT by Aves
raise more preflop
bet more on the flop
fold on the turn
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:58 pm GMT by crack
Raise more preflop? No, I don't think so, it was a big enough raise, if he starts raising more then he ain't gonna get any action on his big hands.
I bet you wouldn't have said that if the guy showed AK/AA or something better than 53
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:44 pm GMT by Jauron
If you are going to check the turn, either check raise or fold it. Not much reason to continue/call.
Other than that, you played it fine.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:53 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
Has villain shown to be a calling station if he hits any part of the flop?
This really depends on how aggressive you are. I liked the reraise preflop and I liked the size of the continuation bet on the flop. Villain might be calling strictly to see what you do on the turn. If you check, he might assume you missed the flop and were actually making a continuation bet. Therefore, when you check the turn that opens the door.
Since your continuation bet was small enough, I would fire out another $2 at this pot and you might get villain to lay it down. If he calls, then check/fold the river. You really aren't going to lose much more if you take this line, and you may get villain to lay it down.
Just my $.02
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:02 pm GMT by Aves
| Quote: | Raise more preflop? No, I don't think so, it was a big enough raise, if he starts raising more then he ain't gonna get any action on his big hands.
I bet you wouldn't have said that if the guy showed AK/AA or something better than 53 |
To be honest, I don't even remember what the villian showed. A potsized reraise would be to $1.10 which is usually a good guideline to go by when raising/reraising. Since OP is out of position, I might make it a little bit more like $1.25 straight to play. I am not familiar with how people at these stakes play; I assume very loose, so I figure you'll get action most of the time anyway. I was actually quite surprised only 1 opponent called, and I would bet this is not the norm.
The flop bet should be much closer to pot size.
Firing a second barrel on the turn is not out of the question as he could be drawing to a lot of things, but again it should be closer to pot size. Given that he checked however, I would fold the turn.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:38 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Aves wrote: | | Quote: | Raise more preflop? No, I don't think so, it was a big enough raise, if he starts raising more then he ain't gonna get any action on his big hands.
I bet you wouldn't have said that if the guy showed AK/AA or something better than 53 |
To be honest, I don't even remember what the villian showed. A potsized reraise would be to $1.10 which is usually a good guideline to go by when raising/reraising. Since OP is out of position, I might make it a little bit more like $1.25 straight to play. I am not familiar with how people at these stakes play; I assume very loose, so I figure you'll get action most of the time anyway. I was actually quite surprised only 1 opponent called, and I would bet this is not the norm. |
Raise to $1.10? Are you freakin insane?...   . This is nickle/dime poker. A raise like that and the only action your getting is the blinds and anyone who does call you will already have you beat. No the right bet here pre-flop and being out of position would be 5-6xBB. If you had position then I would say 4-5xBB is good here. Position alone can help you more then anything in these micro levels. OPs pre-flop bet was fine.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:26 pm GMT by Aves
| Quote: | | Raise to $1.10? Are you freakin insane?... . This is nickle/dime poker. A raise like that and the only action your getting is the blinds and anyone who does call you will already have you beat. No the right bet here pre-flop and being out of position would be 5-6xBB. If you had position then I would say 4-5xBB is good here. Position alone can help you more then anything in these micro levels. OPs pre-flop bet was fine. |
You are contradicting yourself. After UTG+1 minraised, the game had effectively become $0.10/0.20 blinds poker. You said yourself you would raise 5-6xBB (I surely hope you don't mean to $0.50-$0.60). A 5-6xBB raise would be $1.00-1.20. Hey what do you know, $1.10 fits nicely in there.
Again, I am not familiar with the opponents at these stakes or at this particular table. But at mid/high stakes, a raise in the range I suggested is what most tight/aggressive/winning players would do.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:35 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
There aren't many times I agree with UrAte, but this is one of them. I think with this type of a hand, you DO want A (read ONE) caller preflop. I think that if you continue to raise it THAT much preflop, you aren't going to get any callers most of the time. The main point of his reraise was to isolate, and he did just that. I also think that if you raise the size of the pot with a drawing hand (which AK obviously is) then you are risking building a much larger pot, and if you miss that is money you didn't need to lose.
Just my opinion, but I just don't think a raise of that size will get us any action. In fact, the only times I raise that big are out of position with low-to-middle pairs or decent suited connectors.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:44 pm GMT by TheSalche
| Aves wrote: | raise more preflop
bet more on the flop
fold on the turn |
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:01 pm GMT by crack
| Aves wrote: |
Again, I am not familiar with the opponents at these stakes or at this particular table. But at mid/high stakes, a raise in the range I suggested is what most tight/aggressive/winning players would do. |
What do you consider mid/high stakes? Because I have not seen many people re-raise this much. I mean I have seen it, but not an alarming regularity of the time, expecially to raises that are the min.
Posted Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:13 pm GMT by Aves
| Quote: | | There aren't many times I agree with UrAte, but this is one of them. I think with this type of a hand, you DO want A (read ONE) caller preflop. I think that if you continue to raise it THAT much preflop, you aren't going to get any callers most of the time. The main point of his reraise was to isolate, and he did just that. I also think that if you raise the size of the pot with a drawing hand (which AK obviously is) then you are risking building a much larger pot, and if you miss that is money you didn't need to lose. |
You are assuming (incorrectly) that this size raise will usually get 1 caller. Just because it happened on this particular hand does not mean that is the norm, and again I would be willing to bet that more often than not, 2 or 3 people will call the reraise. Then you go on to state you don't want to build a large pot with a ""drawing hand"" such as AK - so why wouldn't you be happy taking down a pot that has 10 big blinds in it already? That is 10% of your stack and you get it essentially risk free.
| Quote: | | What do you consider mid/high stakes? Because I have not seen many people re-raise this much. I mean I have seen it, but not an alarming regularity of the time, expecially to raises that are the min. |
I would say the dynamic switches when going from NL200 to NL400, so NL400 and up is what I would consider mid/high stakes. If you were to ask people like ScanX or supa how much they would raise in this situation (it is a dark day in the poker world when I have to admit that people on these forums should start listening to supa) , I bet their numbers would be close to mine.
Posted Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:53 pm GMT by crack
I think they raise what I said looking at their hands they post in IRC all day.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:51 am GMT by MrDarling
First, even it these low level people fold to a big preflop raise unless they have what they consider a good hand. True, in most cases they consider trash hands good hands, but that is a different story.
So, preflop raise ok - could have been a tad bigger due to the fact that it is a reraise , but over all ok.
I usually continues bet of 1/2 to 1/3 of the pot. Depend what I got. The more I got the lower the bet - I know I'm obvious.
If I can flat called, I usually fire a second bullet on the turn. Again - 1/2 the pot.
Problem is, I often will shoot another bullet on river, and here the level problems occur - people tend to marry their mid - top pair, regardless of the kicker or the hand. And often a mid pair like here will kill your hand.
I try to stop that, unless there was a draw that is obviously missed.
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