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Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:56 pm GMT by E-money04
What could i have possibly done?
PokerStars Game #5881729919: Tournament #29776580, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (50/100) - 2006/08/11 - 19:54:22 (ET)
Table '29776580 81' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: 1BigAceHole (2400 in chips)
Seat 2: DjHenke_82 (1905 in chips)
Seat 3: jollyjoker69 (3250 in chips)
Seat 4: KuWil68 (4184 in chips)
Seat 5: FloppingFool (3495 in chips)
Seat 6: char23 (4655 in chips)
Seat 7: FAT.BOY.BAD (2000 in chips)
Seat 8: E-money04 (2554 in chips)
Seat 9: WindowGuy (6041 in chips)
E-money04: posts small blind 50
WindowGuy: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to E-money04  
1BigAceHole: raises 300 to 400
DjHenke_82: folds
jollyjoker69: folds
KuWil68: folds
FloppingFool: folds
char23: folds
FAT.BOY.BAD: folds
E-money04: calls 350
WindowGuy: folds
*** FLOP ***   
E-money04: checks
1BigAceHole: bets 400
E-money04: calls 400
*** TURN *** 
E-money04: checks
1BigAceHole: bets 1600 and is all-in
E-money04: calls 1600
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
E-money04: shows (a pair of Tens)
1BigAceHole: shows   (a pair of Kings)
1BigAceHole collected 4900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4900 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: 1BigAceHole showed and won (4900) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: DjHenke_82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jollyjoker69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: KuWil68 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: FloppingFool folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: char23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: FAT.BOY.BAD (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: E-money04 (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 9: WindowGuy (big blind) folded before Flop
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Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:53 pm GMT by crack
This early on in a small buyin tourney, it's hard to lay down a big pair, what with so many player playing trash.
Your preflop call is strange though, and the fact that you never showed aggression.
Because you are calling, you can never be sure where you are. You had ample opportunity to get away from the hand imo.
Preflop, a reraise will give you a lot of information on his hand. If he reraises or pushes you can pretty much say he has you beat or you are coinflip at best.
He could get tricky and just smooth call, but then he would probably let you know on the flop when you lead.
You could have raised him on the flop to see where you are. Why call here? You get no info. Raise and find out if your hand is good. Don't get greedy because you don't think he hit his hand (AQ for example). If an overcard comes you are pretty much going to brick it. If he pushes you on this flop, you can be pretty sure you are beat, unless he is super aggro and if he is, bide your time and hit him when you have a stronger hand.
What I am saying is, your hand is a monster and I don't think you gave yourself a chance to get away from it, because you never got any information from the player with just calling, and which resulted in you calling off your stack.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:57 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Calling that really small bet on the flop was a poor play IMO - you should raise there (not that it would have helped here).
Calling the all in on the turn was pretty marginal as well. You're getting like 2:1, I'd probably wait for a better spot after the overcard hit the turn.
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:18 pm GMT by E-money04
I wasnt sure where i was at..and just smoothcalled preflop and post flop... the all in on the turn is where i couldve got away from the hand but i thought i was beat..so i shouldve folded on turn..
Posted Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:01 pm GMT by crack
| E-money04 wrote: | | I wasnt sure where i was at..and just smoothcalled preflop and post flop... the all in on the turn is where i couldve got away from the hand but i thought i was beat..so i shouldve folded on turn.. |
Exactly, you didn't know where you were at. You didn't know because you just kept calling.
Posted Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:01 am GMT by Jauron
Go broke on the flop, fold it on the turn.
You might have been able to get away from it on the flop but I wouldn't have checked it after that flop. Only way I think I get away from it on the flop is if moves on me.
Preflop, calling out of the SB with pocket tens is IMO a poor play. I don't want to be calling a raise early with that hand OOP. I probably pop him back and if I'm lucky I get away from it. If he smooth calls I go broke on the flop.
The only thing I hate is you called off all your money. Going broke when the J hit the board is very suspect.
Posted Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:43 am GMT by Loonbat
I agree with the reraise preflop or the check-raise on the flop options except when you consider the stack he was playing with. Any reasonable reraise or checkraise and half his stack is committed.
:::shrug::: Hard position to be in. I'd probably be checkraising all-in on the flop in this situation 90% of the time, and losing ...
Posted Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:57 am GMT by MrDarling
Sadly I'd be probably calling the preflop raise as well , suspecting a high A.
When nothing hit the flop, I'd bet first. If he smooth calls me - I'm out of the game. If he goes on top, I'll fold.
I recently folded 9's to someone over playing their 5's on a tourney start... The dude showed his cards.
Posted Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:08 am GMT by red_pen
If you were to re-raise pre-flop, how much to? 700 total, 1000 total, 1300 total? He might fold an AQ. He might even fold JJ, but anything else just gets shoved right back and you are so far committed stack-wise you're obligated to call.
Call pre-flop. Call his C-bet (cheaper long term than re-raising pre-flop) and see if he has the "avocados" to fire again on the turn. Fold if he does so - sometimes.
You have to figure he's ahead. Cards which hit the board don't scare you, they scare only him. Any A for instance will prolly save your behind.
And of course, any T means he's your plaything.
Posted Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:30 pm GMT by crack
red pen, I think that's really bad advice.
Calling is by far the worst option of them all.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:58 am GMT by red_pen
I can see why it might have it's merits if the initial raiser is from a later position, or Ms were greater, but advocating a re-raise here fails for me on three counts:
It builds a pot where i think i'm an underdog versus his hand range - villain raised from UTG and I can't see it causing villain to fold;
It puts me to a difficult decision if villain pushes, which he's likely to do with the majority of his holdings, because I will have had to put in at least 900 for the raise to have any "meaning";
It prices the BB away from joining the fray;
By playing the TT weakly, your aim is to showdown as cheaply as possible with what is effectively a draw, with the potential to out flop or out play your opponent.
Folding pre-flop works also.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:04 am GMT by UrAteUp
I agree with the call here. Can't see putting too much into a pot with a low end of a PP. As for calling the flop bet nah...here is where you raise. If he calls be assured he has something decent. If not then go on and drag your pot. After his lead out push with the J showing up on the turn then you can almost be assured he has AJ, JJ, QQ or KK. The push on the turn should have told you that you might seriously be in trouble and been a sign to lay the hand down.
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