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Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:04 pm GMT by ToyMachine22122
This is an unbelievably frustrating hand. Happened to me earlier today playing a little bit out of boredom with a a friend and his friend (It was only a $5 game; we just chipped everyone in for $25 worth anyway)
Me on button
Friend on SB ($0.50)
Villain on BB ($1)
Hole cards: A A
Me -> Call and raise to $8
Friend - > Folds
Villain - > Call and raise to $10
Me -> Call
Flop: K J T
Me -> Check
Villain -> Bets $5
Me -> Call
Turn: Q
Me -> Check
Villain -> Bets $10
Me - Raise to $15
Villain -> Calls
River: 9
Me -> Bets $15
Villain -> Pushes me all in for another $20 (total $35)
Me -> Calls
Villain's cards: 3 7
OWERHOHDHSFEWf!gfjdao!@!!!!
This guy is one of the worst poker players I play with (as you might guess) and he just caught me on the river here. I have no idea how this happened. My two theories are:
1) He's a completely lucky idiot and deserves to die for getting so lucky on this hand
2) He stacked the deck and deserves to die for being a retarded cheat.
EVERY CALL HE MAKES UP TO THE RIVER IS ABSOLUTELY RETARDED! Whatever happened, this guy definitely did not deserve to win. Normally, I wouldn't mind being beaten, but in this case, I'm taking my $5 back from this douche.
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Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:14 pm GMT by Soup_dog
ok... a couple of things.
1. Yes, he is an idiot
2. This will happen over and over and over again
3. Get used to it and move it.
I have the same problem as you. I will tilt like a mad top after hands like this... but you CANT let it get to you. It's part of poker.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:20 pm GMT by weirdofreek
| Quote: | | Normally, I wouldn't mind being beaten, but in this case, I'm taking my $5 back from this douche. |
Good luck trying this at my home game. Bad beats happen but it doesn't mean you can take back your money and run. Let him have it. You'll get much more in the long run if you don't piss him off and keep him in your game.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:22 pm GMT by tame_deuces
For what its worth, villain played the flop, turn and river just fine.
His flop bet is low but when short its usually either a very small bet or a very big bet anyway, its hard to manouver esp. when bluffing.
As for the preflop play, reraising when short with a suited gapper is pretty bad, unless you have had been bluffing and taking stabs, in which case its not bad at all.
Give him my compliments.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:25 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
Well he very well might be cheating. Was he dealing at the time?
One of my "friends" used to actually cheat at cards, against me and our other friends.
We'd play with 2 decks and have the dealer rotate. Whenever he was shuffling for the next deal, he'd bring the cards below the table and set up the order of the cards so one person would have a big hand and he would catch a bigger one.
Perfect example. He deals on guy AK, me 1010 and himself 35. AK raises preflop, I come over the top for like 3x as much. He insta calls both raises and the flop comes... You guessed it 467.
After the flop I push all in for about 1.5x the pot. He takes litterally 3-4 minutes then finally calls. It was so blatently obvious I think he was just contemplating folding to save face. This happened on a couple of previous hands, I just hadn't noticed since I was drunk at the time. Needless to say, a couple other guys picked up on it, and we never played poker with the kid again.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:20 pm GMT by ToyMachine22122
I definitely wouldn't play with that guy again. And I also definitely wouldn't play while drunk, lol. I know from experience that I don't play well like that... (luckily when I did it wasn't for real money, just for kicks, because I was out of the game in 4 hands)
But yeah, it seems there's been a cheating epidemic in my circle of friends that I play poker with. I've caught two of my friends peeking at the next cards several times in the past few months, and one my friends constantly brings the deck under the table when he deals, and when I tell him to cut it out he says it's a habit and he does it without thinking, which could be true, but then again, it might not.
I also noticed when I was going heads up against another guy that the first card I was dealt was ALWAYS below a 10, save 1 or 2 hands. This was for about an hour of play. This may be due to shit luck, but I think there's a possibility he was looking at the first card before he dealt and would shuffle again if it was a 10 or above.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:54 pm GMT by MasterMike
No offense, but if someone took that much time to cheat and deal people aces, tens, then deal himself a straight with the burn cards, that's pretty amazing, as much as i want to say you guys are idiots, i think i could see that happening to me, but if someone takes that much time to figure out who needs what cards to lose/win, you should have noticed before.
I hope that didnt happen too often.
Btw, with the aces, i would have bet. The flush draw and striaght draw would have done it for me after the turn. Although it seems that he would call, he could have folded if you bet large enough.
I dont like messing with pocket aces.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:51 pm GMT by Iron Butt
Re card handling, here's some pretty simple and widely used rules guys:
- Cards ALWAYS stay on the table in plain sight.
- If cards leave the table for whatever reason, they are counted and reshuffled on the table in plain sight.
- In a rotating deal game, the cards are always cut by the player on the dealer's right.
With players who just repeatedly can't get it "right" for whatever reason, it can be useful to agree on a penalty; after a misdeal or whatever dealer has to match the blinds or etc.
Anyone who's honest should be pretty happy to follow these rules; anyone who has a big problem with them, well... Good luck guys.
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:06 pm GMT by BMiller1980
why would you not reraise with AA preflop? Then why just cold-call on the flop?
Is it just me or is this just a pretty dumb way to play AA?
Posted Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:49 pm GMT by Jauron
| BMiller1980 wrote: | why would you not reraise with AA preflop? Then why just cold-call on the flop?
Is it just me or is this just a pretty dumb way to play AA? |
I was curious about that too...when somebody giving me that kind of action after I totally blew it by betting so much the money is going into the middle and if he has the balls to call me with 3,5 he gets my stack. If he is dealing he's got some explaining to do if I don't know him.
On another note, how did he call and raise to 10 when you already made it 8? Did you mean another 10?
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:08 am GMT by MasterMike
| Jauron wrote: | | BMiller1980 wrote: | why would you not reraise with AA preflop? Then why just cold-call on the flop?
Is it just me or is this just a pretty dumb way to play AA? |
I was curious about that too...when somebody giving me that kind of action after I totally blew it by betting so much the money is going into the middle and if he has the balls to call me with 3,5 he gets my stack. If he is dealing he's got some explaining to do if I don't know him.
On another note, how did he call and raise to 10 when you already made it 8? Did you mean another 10? |
They probably play without the minimum raise, so you could reraise a buck from 20 to 21.
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:31 am GMT by Casey ATB
| Jefecaminador wrote: | | We'd play with 2 decks and have the dealer rotate. Whenever he was shuffling for the next deal, he'd bring the cards below the table and set up the order of the cards so one person would have a big hand and he would catch a bigger one. |
Why in the H*** would anybody let a player take the cards below the table?! That's completely against card-playing conventions and protocol. You let yourself get set up for this, if that's the way it went down. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Just take it as a lesson learned.
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:24 am GMT by Jefecaminador
| Casey ATB wrote: | | Jefecaminador wrote: | | We'd play with 2 decks and have the dealer rotate. Whenever he was shuffling for the next deal, he'd bring the cards below the table and set up the order of the cards so one person would have a big hand and he would catch a bigger one. |
Why in the H*** would anybody let a player take the cards below the table?! That's completely against card-playing conventions and protocol. You let yourself get set up for this, if that's the way it went down. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Just take it as a lesson learned. |
I assumed it wouldnt of been an issue since I had known the guy and everyone else playing for 4 years. Just goes to show you how well you know your friends.
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:28 am GMT by MrDarling
I agree this was not the best way to play A's .
I would have reraised again preflop. Hoping to get it allin. This is the best hand you can have preflop HU. Maybe his raise was trying to scare you off. if you reraise again, he would have probably fold it.
Then same on the flop , though this is a scary flop , so I would have bet a nice amount, If he reraised I might consider putting it down.
Though with a str8 draw and top pair , I might not. But I would be thinking he his holding a set.
I have never played live poker. So I can't talk about the cheating side of it.
I'd presume that in low levels, people will cheat just because they like to win, and wouldn't consider it stealing from friends. But I would highly doubt I can stay friend with someone who cheats..
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:52 pm GMT by groton
yah i say u missplayed it.
Resaise big Preflop then Lead out on the flop.
you want him to pay u off
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:09 pm GMT by efram
agreed, re-raise pre-flop and don't slow play AA on that flop.
The board is flushy. You're beggin for your AA to get cracked the
way you played it.
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:01 pm GMT by TxShadow
Yeah, I was confused about this as well. If you raised to 8, he should have had to make it at least 16. I assume you meant he put in 18 total? Either way, you made an 8x bb raise with AA, he re-raises, why aren't you getting your stack in here? Someone getting heads up with you and reraising your AA preflop is a rare opportunity. Take advantage of it next time. You let him see a flop, let him take control on the flop, and waited until there were all kinds of draws (horrible board for AA) out there to get remotely aggresive. I would have been suprised to see AA being the best hand when he pushes the river.
Be mad at yourself. You played that horribly.
No offense.
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:43 pm GMT by mindgame
About cheating in home games. Most of you have heard me say it, but I'll do it again. There has only been one regular home game I've ever been in (35+ years) that didn't eventually break up because of cheating. It happens a lot.
There ARE things you can and should do. Start with some basic house rules.
Every hand must be cut.
The deck and ALL dealt cards must NEVER be out of sight. It somebody "forgets" he is penalized by an automatic fold. No exceptions, no compromises. If the dealer does it, the deck must be reshuffled.
New cards every week. This is a must. Not "like new." Not "I just opened them an hour ago 'cuz I was bored." Nothing but new decks opened in front of everyone. I never ever go to a game without two brand new decks of Bee or Bicycle with me--get them at Sams or Costco by the dozen they're cheap.
Simple rule I recommend: after the cut the cards are place flat on the table and the dealer takes off the top card with one hand, one at a time. It's a little slow at first, but it's foolproof. This is how I deal. It's not enough not to cheat. You have to be above even the suspicion of cheating.
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