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Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:45 pm GMT by jbark
hey, the other night i was in great shape in a 12 seat SnG( 6 oer table) that paid 4 places. i put someone all-in with a set of tens that held up against his tptk, anyway next hand i get AKd in the sb two callers so i pushed figuring to steal but willing to loose with my hand. one folds one calls and i sent him packing to find myself sitting on ~7000 of 12,000 total chips and 4 players left.
i did not play the rest of the way badly, but i finished 3rd and i feel like i could have done better.
anyone care to discuss what type of strategy could be used when you have 3x the next stack in a situation like this?
anyone know of a link to an article on this topic?
My choice was to give no free cards to either opponent since my stack was so much bigger. this was working out fine until my A5o flopped into a 25J rainbow so raised above his stack and he called. he had AQ, not a bad call on his part, but i took a hit when he got a Q on the river. after that the stacks were pretty close and i went out when my 10,10 failed me. blinds were 200/400 at that point.
cheers
jerry
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Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:08 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
I try not to let a big stack go to my head too much...especially near the end of a tourney...keep in mind wut your m is, and wut each other player's m is...and play as you normally would....if i feel like ppl are scared of me, or the table is too tight, then i'll loosen up a bit, but otherwise, i'm content letting smaller stacks battle it out, while making the regular plays that i always do...in case you arent familiar w/ m value, if you add up all the blinds and antes that you'll pay in one button rotation, that divide your stack by that amount, thats yer m...basically if its above 20, you can relax and play your regular game...5 and under you can only go all-in and you hafta loosen up...also being the first to move at a pot is even more important....if you keep these desperation levels in mind in regards to your opponents, it can really help to put them on a hand....harrington also talks about a 10 to 1 rule where if yer stack is 10 times bigger than somebody else heads up, its fine to go all-in w/ anything, which makes sense to me....you can apply this when everybody has folded to you and yer small blind
also if you decide that its a good idea to bully, target middle stacks, or basically the guy in 2nd...he has the most to loose, and yer the last person he wants to get involved w/....if you target the little guys, they're apt to move all-in....also keep this metric in mind if somebody is moving against you...if they're the guy in 2nd, he's more likely to have a better hand than if the tiny stack were moving against you
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:24 pm GMT by ninetensuited
i would try to help, but i dont think ive ever had a "BIG STACK"
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:20 pm GMT by jbark
| ninetensuited wrote: | | i would try to help, but i dont think ive ever had a "BIG STACK" |
kinda tough to overcome genetics, eh Squidly??
cheers
jerry
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:22 pm GMT by ninetensuited
jbark, it was really a joke
ive made 13 final tables in the last 2 and a half weeks...some of the people here know about it. and i was just messin around
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:23 pm GMT by jbark
Thanks for the input sid.
i was working on something i read in a book by antonio esfandiari where he advocates playing very aggressivly when HU or 3left. he basically advises to ALWAYS raise from the button in those situations regardless of your hand.
I feel like i'm doing pretty good for a beginner but i have a lot to learn before i'll be one of the big boys.
cheers
jerry
Posted Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:30 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I wrote this a while back. To put it simply due to the ICM model (the cash value of tournament chips), you can force your to fold or make bad calls (many of their calls will be bad even if they have the best hand).
For example, you are in a standard 10+1 SNG with a stack of 3k and have 3 opponents with 1k each, the blinds are 50/100 and it's folded to you in the SB, you go all-in. If your opponent folds he will be left with $19.74 worth of chips, if he calls and loses he will have $0 worth of chips and if he calls and wins he will have $30.33 worth of chips. This means he'll have to have an equity of 65.1% to correctly call. Even if you push with any 2 he'd be making a mistake by calling with AQo.
Furthermore, due to the value of chips you must only risk $3.71 of your chips to make this play. In the above example you can put up $3.71 and to match you your opponent must put up $19.74.
Note that in cases where you have roughly the same amount of chips as your opponent your opponent would do you both harm by calling. In spots where you are close in chips it becomes a game of chicken. Your opponent may know you don't want a call, but in order to do you damage he has to take some damage himself; and if he's plays well he won't.
Playing well in the late stages of a shortstacked SNG is one of the easier things to learn. This is because there is generally only one round of betting. If the game is deepstacked these models still do apply, but they don't do anywhere near as much good.
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:03 am GMT by jbark
| ninetensuited wrote: | jbark, it was really a joke
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I know, mine too.
must have forgot the smiley :D
cheers
jerry
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:00 pm GMT by jbark
suited,
i just read through your short article. i see your point and want to write a bit of a response when i have a little more time. i have to head out of town for a couple of days right now. i'll think about this a bit and then post a reply when i get bakc.
thanks
jerry
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