Need some serious help, im weak |
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Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:14 am GMT by mortaleclipse
Ok here is the deal and I came to the conclusion. Im weak and lay down winners alot. Example, 33$ tourny with 125 people in it. Prize pool is a thousand bucks to the winner and I want it badley. Binds go up every 30 minutes so got plenty of time to play some cards.
2  2  3 hand in the tourny and entire table limps in
flop - 2  9  j
I bet pot, reraise, all in, all in
Im putting someone on pocket 9's and even pocket jacks maybe so I fold
I know this is weak and of course i would of won cause one dude flips over kings which is weird cause no preflop raise from this guy and other dude flips over ace/jack.
That is one of like 10 situtations were i folded the winner but it just seams in my gut im beat and cant bring myself to make the call.tonight when i had King King
its at the 3/6 and I raise preflop to 6 and I get 4 callers.
flop 8 7 4
I bet then there is a raise and all people at the table call
I end up folding on the river thinking someone floped the straight but of couse not, person who raised just was on a draw and missed and I missed out of a 90 dollar pot.
Any suggestions on how to become a more confident player with your cards. I used to play very loose and would call all this stuff to the end but I tightend my game up a crap load and now just get scared to call.
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Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:37 am GMT by MrDarling
Well, the only thing I can suggest is to play in levels you are more comfertable in. Which means , You have to be in a position where you don't care about losing the buyin money. Once you start caring, you start folding a winning hand.
Don't get me wrong, I'll often fold a best hand to a very aggressive player, especially if he has me covered and there can be so many hands that beat me.
However, I will almost never fold a set (unless there is an obvious flush or str8)
Playing poker you need to gamble, sometimes a lot. If you are not willing to gamble, you chose the wrong sport mate!
Bottom line, you know your weakness , so its easier to over come it!
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:42 am GMT by ki_cz
Any flop that looks like that I am calling with my set, period.
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:47 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Ok, here's the thing. I said this in another thread, and tame-deuces would agree here, as would many other players.
Making "Big Laydowns" is a very overrated skill.
Why? Because most of the time people think they're making a great laydown, they're playing like a total nit. For every time you lay down bottom set and see a guy flash you top set, there are probably 20 times you just made a terrible laydown.
Also, remember that Hold'em is a game of trading mistakes, and if you're going to make any, it's better to make little mistakes than big ones.
Going broke with bottom set early in a tournament, at least by my definition, is a small mistake, both because a set is very strong, and because your immediate return is almost zero--it makes no difference if you finish last or one before the money. Conversely, missing a chance to build a massive stack early is a bigger mistake (though still not a severe one).
In the situation you describe, 99 is a possibility, but I don't take the threat of JJ too seriously. With all that limping, I'm far more likely to believe a person has KJ, QJ, JT, T8, QT, J9, or a pair that is lower than jacks but not on the board. People WILL gamble early in tournaments with big draws, and you MUST be willing to "gamble" with them (although you are a massive favorite against all the hands listed. In other words, I think you're laying down 222 here because you're worried over a single unlikely hand: 99. And I just don't think you're good enough to read someone for one exact hand. No offense to you, though; I mean that. I'm not good enough to put someone on one exact hand either. But with all the possible hands people are liable to gamble with here, I just think laying down a set is far too weak.
Now the KK hand in limit is different, and worse. Here's why. It would cost you only $6 more to find out if you have a winner in a $90 pot on the river there. That's odds of 15-to-1. If there is more than a 15-to-1 chance your opponent has a hand worse than you (which there is always is), calling is correct. Losing $6 here is a small mistake. Losing a $90 pot is a HUGE mistake. Money not won in a cash game is just the same as money lost, so it's easy to see why this is such an enormous mistake. After all that money went in preflop and on the flop, calling down is virtually mandatory, as long as it's kept to a single bet on the remaining streets and no further scare cards come.
So just remember--if it's low cost to make big profit, go for it. Losing small amounts = small mistake. Missing chances to win big amounts = big mistake.
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:03 am GMT by mortaleclipse
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: |
Now the KK hand in limit is different, and worse. Here's why. It would cost you only $6 more to find out if you have a winner in a $90 pot on the river there. That's odds of 15-to-1. If there is more than a 15-to-1 chance your opponent has a hand worse than you (which there is always is), calling is correct. Losing $6 here is a small mistake. Losing a $90 pot is a HUGE mistake. Money not won in a cash game is just the same as money lost, so it's easy to see why this is such an enormous mistake. After all that money went in preflop and on the flop, calling down is virtually mandatory, as long as it's kept to a single bet on the remaining streets and no further scare cards come.
So just remember--if it's low cost to make big profit, go for it. Losing small amounts = small mistake. Missing chances to win big amounts = big mistake. |
And I realise this right after the hand and I got up and walked away from the table for 2 hours thinking how retarded i was. I know exctly what you talking about cause all I had to do was call another 6 bucks to see if I could take down a 90 dollar pot. I agree with everythin you wrote and thanks for the tips 
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:15 am GMT by turkeyspanka
What I always do when I flop a set is pretty much keep calling/rasing untill someone goes all in. I basically wanna get all my chips into the pot UNLESS there are other circumstances like if there's a flush on the board etc. It depends on the kind of read I get but mostly I bet out on any set. It's worked out for me, I usually win about 90% of the pots. Usually the other guy has a monster pocket pair or top pair that he just can't laydown. 
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