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Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:31 pm GMT by efram
PokerStars Game #5941128135: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/08/16 - 17:20:44 (ET)
Table 'Fornax II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Bassin0204 ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Steve787 ($49.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Efram ($28.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Classy Girl ($3.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Airbag999 ($22.50 in chips)
Seat 6: jz11 ($17.60 in chips)
Airbag999: posts small blind $0.10
jz11: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Efram  
Bassin0204: folds
Steve787: folds
Efram---?
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Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:39 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Raise to $1.
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:00 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Raise to $1. |
I'm with this. NL25 is a limpfest, and people are generally bad after the flop, if we're in, we might as well raise. Bump it.
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:01 pm GMT by Skribbles
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Raise to $1. |
Posted Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:33 pm GMT by Loonbat
I disagree ... $0.95 is a MUCH scarier raise.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:15 am GMT by efram
perfect, I raised to $1, next step?
PokerStars Game #5941128135: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/08/16 - 17:20:44 (ET)
Table 'Fornax II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Bassin0204 ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Steve787 ($49.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Efram ($28.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Classy Girl ($3.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Airbag999 ($22.50 in chips)
Seat 6: jz11 ($17.60 in chips)
Airbag999: posts small blind $0.10
jz11: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Efram
Bassin0204: folds
Steve787: folds
Efram: raises $0.75 to $1
Classy Girl: folds
Airbag999: folds
jz11: calls $0.75
*** FLOP ***   
jz11: checks
Efram - fire another bet here? if so how much?
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:42 am GMT by tame_deuces
I'd go for something along 1/2 - 3/4 of the pot.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:22 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Probe bet I think. Between 1/3 and 1/2 the pot is good (maybe 2/3... I think 3/4 is a little much). Dump it if he raises.
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:58 am GMT by efram
Airbag999: posts small blind $0.10
jz11: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Efram
Bassin0204: folds
Steve787: folds
Efram: raises $0.75 to $1
Classy Girl: folds
Airbag999: folds
jz11: calls $0.75
*** FLOP ***
jz11: checks
Efram: bets $1
jz11: calls $1
*** TURN *** 
jz11: checks
Efram - ? Does another bet take it down, if so how much, or do you slow down here?
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:26 am GMT by kingetje
I didnt like the $1 bet on the flo;... thats the same emount you bet pre-flop. to me that is a sign of weakness and someone who missed his flop. i would often raise you there with very little (assuming theres no other players in the hand who im fearing)
I'd bet around potsized on the flop.. like 80% of the pot
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:18 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I don't agree that $1 is weak. It's a decent % of the pot, which is all that matters; not its size in relation to your pre-flop bet.
Since you got called on the flop, I'd say it's time to give up and just hope for a cheap showdown.
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:36 am GMT by efram
Complete hand below.
I bet a little over half the pot and took it down. Since he kept smooth calling me, I had him on an underpair, Jx or TPNK.
I honestly felt another bet might get him to lay down and it worked.
PokerStars Game #5941128135: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/08/16 - 17:20:44 (ET)
Table 'Fornax II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Bassin0204 ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Steve787 ($49.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Efram ($28.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Classy Girl ($3.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Airbag999 ($22.50 in chips)
Seat 6: jz11 ($17.60 in chips)
Airbag999: posts small blind $0.10
jz11: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Efram
Bassin0204: folds
Steve787: folds
Efram: raises $0.75 to $1
Classy Girl: folds
Airbag999: folds
jz11: calls $0.75
*** FLOP ***
jz11: checks
Efram: bets $1
jz11: calls $1
*** TURN ***
jz11: checks
Efram: bets $2.25
jz11: folds
Efram collected $3.90 from pot
Efram: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.10 | Rake $0.20
Board
Seat 1: Bassin0204 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Steve787 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Efram collected ($3.90)
Seat 4: Classy Girl (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Airbag999 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: jz11 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:22 pm GMT by efram
d-cutterx you thought I should slow down here. I think a cheap show down I lose. Determining whether to fire the third bullet or fourth bullet is sometimes tricky when getting smooth called. Sometimes I get to the river in situations like this and feel like the only way to win this pot is if I bet pot or better, or push and other times I do give up and hope my hand is good. Here I think I was beat. Maybe not, we'll never know, but the third bullet won me the pot.
Firing bullets when I know I'm beat but I'm either bluffing or semi-bluffing is something I probly do too much of.
Online, its tough to get reads on people, and when someone is smooth calling you down, sometimes a big bet on the turn or river scares em away, sometimes it doesn't. Clearly its no exact science and completley situational. I wouldn't do this with vs a calling station, obviously it won't work.
Do any of you follow some sort of policy when it comes to continuing your ruse with bluffs or semi-bluffs?
Like here, if you have 8's and clearly can represent a big A cuz you raised pre-flop, do you play that A to the river because you're getting smooth called?
Had he smooth called my turn bet, I'm not sure I would have fired another bet on the river, but if a rag comes, I think I do.
Aggression is my friend, sometimes, and its tough to know how to use it all the time in every situation.
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:23 pm GMT by efram
whoops, double post
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:53 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Since you got called on the flop, I'd say it's time to give up and just hope for a cheap showdown. |
I was wanting to post this yesterday but never got time...I was too busy on a hot streak...  . Anyhow most times DC I would agree with you here, but sometimes you just have to make one more bet. In this case this was one of those times. I usually will fire off a another round on the turn that way anyone playing Jx or JX hands will most likely put me on the AA and back away. This limit is very good for making that play because not too many people want to lose that extra $1 when it is say 5-10% of your buyin. If villian had called the turn bet then your got problems. You either have to fire in another shell on the river, or check and let villians action help your descsion making on how to go from here. It can be a wasted bet on the turn like this but more times then not it can get you the pot.
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:16 pm GMT by Gunslinger
This is where online notes can be a big help. I stay pretty focused on the table when I'm not in a hand, and I always note if I see someone call a c-bet on the flop, then fold to another bet on the turn. If it happens more than once, than I'm always apt to fire a second barrel if I get in a hand with that person. Likewise, if I've noted a person calling on more than one street, or if his 'Go to showdown when see flop %' is high, then it's one c-bet if the flop doesn't help me and I'm done.
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:06 pm GMT by efram
| Quote: | | 'Go to showdown when see flop %' is high |
how do you keep track of this?
Is there a feature for poker stars that does this or do I need additional software to track other's statistics?
Posted Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:14 pm GMT by Gunslinger
| efram wrote: | how do you keep track of this?
Is there a feature for poker stars that does this or do I need additional software to track other's statistics? |
This is one of the statistics of Poker Tracker, so yes, you'd have to buy the software. The real time tracking of the players at your table is very helpful. This topic is one of the areas it has helped me immensely - being able to tell the difference between two different types of passive players: a rock, who will fold to a second bluff, and a calling station, who will call you down with 2nd pair, weak kicker.
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