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Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:28 am GMT by MrDarling
Hi ,
I'm wandering about the following.
You sit in a ring game with the full amount buyin, opp as around the same.
You get a good hand and raise 3-5XBB . Opp goes allin 90-100XBB .
1. What hands are you calling with such a raise? if we consider pot odds - you never really have them, right?
2. Do you change hand selection in low levels (ie 10NL)
3. Do you change your decision if opp. does the same move almost once a round?
4. what about if he does it every single hand?
Question 1 is the one that really bother me, I folded good hands preflop to such an action (AQs-QJs , mid PP etc...)
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Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:43 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Sklansky and Miller have a great section on this in No Limit Hold'em: Theory and Practice, and deal with your pot odds and how tight your opponent is. I'd highly recommend picking it up.
But in any case, here's some basic answers:
1. In that situation against a typical player, probably only Aces or Kings. And maybe only Aces if a guy is especially tight. AK, QQ, JJ, and TT may become possibilities the looser an opponent becomes. Knowing the opponent and his hand range is the crucial factor.
2. Levels should not change your hand selection. Opponents should. But since there tend to be worse players at lower levels, sort of.
3. Oh definitely. That suggests he is moving in with only the top 10% hands (or worse) statistically. This greatly expands the number of hands you can profitably call with.
4. Theoretically, if you had an effectively unlimited bankroll, you could call with any slightly better than average hand and have it be +EV. But situations as freaky as this only happen in Platonic-Sklansky math heaven.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:47 am GMT by MrDarling
why would anyone be that stupid to raise 90XBB into a 5XBB pot with A's .
If you have such a hand, don't you want a slightly bigger pot?
and like stated, playing in small levels , ie 10NL should matter a lot because the players are
1. worse
and 2. much worse.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:14 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
How about when a player is shortstacked and making his all in PF for say 20-30BB? You know he's on tilt and could be attempting the allin with some mediocre cards. Do you pass on oppourtunities in LP with AQs or 99, considering it's not a tournament, and you can wait for much better times to get your money in, rather than take a 50-50 or 60-40? If I think I have him dominated in a 70-30 position I'm calling.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:37 am GMT by tame_deuces
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | How about when a player is shortstacked and making his all in PF for say 20-30BB? You know he's on tilt and could be attempting the allin with some mediocre cards. Do you pass on oppourtunities in LP with AQs or 99. |
Naw. 
As unimaginative as a preflop all-in situation may be in a ring game, if we have an edge or pot odds go for it. And against shortstacks the most profitable is always having the odds in your favor before the flop (because of the lack of implied odds), so these slight odds are as good as it gets most of the time.
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:05 pm GMT by Skribbles
I think i may be more tentative than most in these situations. If someone is pushing for 90BB+ I'm only calling w/ AA or KK (dependant on OPP).
In cash games I don't see the need to call off my stack pre-flop without AA or KK. In tournys, yes, there are many times you have to put it all on the line with much less. Ring games allow you to wait it out and get your money in when you are a heavy favorite to take the hand.
Short stacks are a much different story in cash games. I see this all the time at NL100 or NL200. People buying in for $20 and $40 respectively, just trying to double up. I will call down these players much more frequently as they will push, hoping to pick up blinds / limpers, with Ax and low PPs.
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