Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:30 am GMT by Oasis
First hand and last hand of tonight...
Suggestions?
FullTiltPoker Game #906104981: Table Tierra De Palmas - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:23:23 ET - 2006/08/17
Seat 1: DRAGONIA ($2.80)
Seat 2: Gagetown ($12.50)
Seat 3: Debshe ($9.75), is sitting out
Seat 4: SPTT0311 ($8.05)
Seat 5: hyperionx ($4)
Seat 6: gmglenn ($4)
Seat 7: kevinmurph11 ($7.50)
Seat 8: Oasis123 ($10)
Seat 9: potatahead ($13.65)
kevinmurph11 posts the small blind of $0.05
Oasis123 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Oasis123  
potatahead folds
DRAGONIA calls $0.10
Gagetown calls $0.10
SPTT0311 calls $0.10
hyperionx folds
kevinmurph11 folds
Oasis123 checks
*** FLOP ***   
Oasis123 bets $0.45
DRAGONIA folds
Gagetown raises to $0.90
SPTT0311 folds
Oasis123 calls $0.45
*** TURN *** 
Oasis123 checks
Gagetown bets $2.25
Oasis123 raises to $9, and is all in
Gagetown calls $6.75
Oasis123 shows
Gagetown shows  
*** RIVER *** 
Oasis123 shows three of a kind, Fives
Gagetown shows a straight, Nine high
Gagetown wins the pot ($18.25) with a straight, Nine high
Oasis123 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.25 | Rake $2
Board:
Seat 1: DRAGONIA folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Gagetown showed and won ($18.25) with a straight, Nine high
Seat 3: Debshe is sitting out
Seat 4: SPTT0311 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: hyperionx didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: gmglenn (button) is sitting out
Seat 7: kevinmurph11 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Oasis123 (big blind) showed and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 9: potatahead didn't bet (folded)/b
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Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:01 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Why did you call the raise on the flop with bottom pair and a backdoor flush draw?
After that you played it well, you can't assume he flopped a straight and can likely figure him for a draw or maybe 2pr. But remember that he limped, meaning he can hold anything, AND he raised you on the flop. Most times you're beaten by any calling hand here.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:08 am GMT by UrAteUp
| Oasis wrote: |
Dealt to Oasis123 |
Not a bad hand to play from the blinds but play with caution. Ax hands can spell lots of trouble if played wrong.
| Quote: |
*** FLOP ***
Oasis123 bets $0.45
DRAGONIA folds
Gagetown raises to $0.90
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This should have been your first sign that something was up. Usually you won't find a player willing to raise with this board on a TPTK. Villian could have been on a higher set or as in this case a straight.
Another word of caution, the limped hand is the most dangerous. I am not saying you should raise with A5 to drive out players. I am saying watch any hand that gets limped into a pot. You just never know what someone will limp with.
| Quote: | *** TURN ***
Oasis123 checks
Gagetown bets $2.25
Oasis123 raises to $9, and is all in
Gagetown calls $6.75
Oasis123 shows
Gagetown shows |
Why the raise here? A set is a good hand but not the nuts here. This is where you really need to be thinking what hands would make a pot or better bet right here. Even if he had 2 pair I don't think I would be getting wacky and raising here. You just never know if he had the straight, a higher set or was trying to pull a fast one.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:15 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
| mooseontheloose wrote: | | Why did you call the raise on the flop with bottom pair and a backdoor flush draw? |
I would have called the min-raise too.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:23 am GMT by mooseontheloose
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | mooseontheloose wrote: | | Why did you call the raise on the flop with bottom pair and a backdoor flush draw? |
I would have called the min-raise too. |
Let me rephrase that...
Why did you call the raise on the flop with bottom pair and a backdoor flush draw and then assume that your bottom set was enough to win the pot?
I think calling that raise meant that caution needed to be used to rest of the way. What I meant was that because it was a mini-raise he was likely raising for value. That needs to be considered here. If he really wanted to take that pot down now he would've probably raised a few times your bet rather than a min-raise. Most people usually won't min-raise on a draw either, so you should assume that he's holding something worth building a pot for. At least that's how I read it.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:24 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Good point - I agree.
But it's still too hard to get away from his hand though I think.
Especially at 10NL.
Posted Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:27 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Agreed, I don't know if I would think it through properly when this is all happening, just giving my $0.02 on the HH 
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:19 am GMT by Jauron
Anything but a call on the flop I like, you are out of position the rest of the hand and there are so many cards that can hit on the turn that will shut you down. Fold, raise take your pick.
I can't imagine what hand you put him on that flop that you felt you were either ahead of or would want to see another card for his price.
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:59 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
In short:
Yes.
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:38 am GMT by Dat_Dude
I would Check/Call that flop if he bets. Once that turn hits a 5, it is pretty tough to get off that hand.
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