do you ever ignore the information bet? |
|
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:07 am GMT by MrDarling
Often, you have an ok hand : TP on a low board, PP with over cards on board etc..
You fire an information bet , half - 1/3 pot checking to see if your hand is good, and then you ignore the results.
It actually often happens to me.
Last night I was on a big freeroll, 2nd hours sitting comfortably with my stack. Get 9's in the blinds. Call a raise from the table CL, thinking unless I hit a set or get a good board I can lay it down.
Boards come xJT . I bet half the pot. get raised, and instead of putting down the hand, as I should , I push allin. Of course his AJ held and I'm busted.
The sad thing is, I know what is the right thing to do. I did not push on the flop , I asked : "do you have a better hand?" His replied : "Hell yes!!" . So I push? 
Its happens to often , before the information bet, I'm very lucid calculating my odds and thinking about hands. But as soon as I get raised I decide I'm being bluffed and push without a second thought.
Any advice how to avoid that?
I'm taking a short break and re-evaluating my state of mind!
Yesterday I lost half my BR in 2 short sessions, some where bad beats, but few where noob mistakes :
Did you know that participating in a poker forum can help you improve your own game? Be it by sharing experiences or simply asking for help, participation in a forum helps you focus and keep 'on topic' which will help you improve your game. You can learn from other players feedback and from their experiences. Why the THP poker forums? We offer one of the best managed texas holdem poker forums available, and the community within is far more friendly than those typicaly found on other sites. We've made a 'lurkers edition' of the poker forum available here on Holdem Poker Online, but we encourage all visitors to register and join in on the conversations on TexasHoldem-Poker.com
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:08 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
| MrDarling wrote: | | Any advice how to avoid that? |
Don't do it.
Think of consequences. Think of risk VS reward. Think of EV.
Is this a patience issue? Do you push because you're bored and looking for action? If so, maybe open a table on the side to occupy yourself with.
I'll admit that I have done this too from time to time, and the reason for it was simply that I wasn't in a "playing mood". I didn't really want to play but rather had other things on my mind and subconciously want to get knocked out.
To avoid that, I've stopped playing when I only "sort of" want to play, and save it for better times.
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:47 am GMT by MrDarling
here is the thing , I make the right move on the flop. I bet the right amount to find out if I'm ahead. But then as soon as he raise I think "He his bluffing" and usually I push before even thinking about it.
Admittedly , its happen when I'm tilting...
So the real action should be - don't play when tilting.
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:08 am GMT by UrAteUp
Big big flaw in your game Mr.D. If your tilting drop down to a lower or lowest level and spend a couple bucks putting a scare into those $0.01/$0.02 players or log off and do something else.
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:28 am GMT by MrDarling
With my always-around $50 BR I play the lowest level available on my site - sadly it's 10NL .
Usually, when things do not work out, I head over to the Omaha PL and Stud FL to gain some money back.
But it seems that when the cards are against you - there is not much you can do around the table . Last session I had a flush AKT beaten by a flush AKQ (stud) had boats beaten by better boats on omaha etc..
All that happens is that I lost few buyins , but since the lowest levels on my site are still too high to my BR, it hurts (and I know it bad , but I never buy the full buyin)
I think for the moment I'll concentrate on my S&G game . All I can lose playing those is $1.25 a pop (though again, on my half ass tilt yesterday I decided to play a $5.50)
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:21 pm GMT by TxShadow
I think you have two problems you need to work on. The first is obviously not assuming that someone who raises you is always bluffing; unless you have some actual information that makes you feel that way.
The second is: Why is your only play when someone raises you to push? If you have an "ok" hand and you think that they are bluffing, why not call their raise and see if you can get them to bluff again on a later street? Or if you are in a situation that you don't really want to see any more cards come that could scare you, why not reraise a normal amount? They're still going to fold if they have nothing, possibly call with a slightly worse hand giving you more value out of your hand, or reraise again, at which point you will know that you should probably give up.
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:40 am GMT by MrDarling
The above situation do not happen often. It is not how I always act.
But sometimes, very rarely , but usually when most important it will happen.
This topic started after this hand in a tournament :
Full Tilt Poker Game #907167294: .COM 7-Seat Giveaway Rd. 1 (6021230), Table 108 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:36:03 ET - 2006/08/17
Seat 1: killerSEAHORSE (9,495)
Seat 2: TYGGRR (4,070), is sitting out
Seat 3: HISci-FiGuy (11,728)
Seat 4: turk101 (3,160)
Seat 5: xxDragon (4,655)
Seat 6: GATOR77 (775), is sitting out
Seat 7: GoodKat117 (8,930)
Seat 8: bfg9000 (2,388), is sitting out
Seat 9: MrDarling (4,755)
killerSEAHORSE antes 25
TYGGRR antes 25
HISci-FiGuy antes 25
turk101 antes 25
xxDragon antes 25
GATOR77 antes 25
GoodKat117 antes 25
bfg9000 antes 25
MrDarling antes 25
MrDarling posts the small blind of 150
killerSEAHORSE posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDarling  
TYGGRR folds
killerSEAHORSE: ty
HISci-FiGuy raises to 1,200
turk101 folds
xxDragon folds
GATOR77 folds
MrDarling: well played
GoodKat117 folds
bfg9000 folds
MrDarling calls 1,050
killerSEAHORSE folds
*** FLOP ***   
bfg9000 has returned
MrDarling bets 700
HISci-FiGuy raises to 2,100
MrDarling raises to 3,500
HISci-FiGuy raises to 4,900
MrDarling calls 30, and is all in
HISci-FiGuy shows  
MrDarling shows
Uncalled bet of 1,370 returned to HISci-FiGuy
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
HISci-FiGuy shows a pair of Jacks
MrDarling shows a pair of Nines
HISci-FiGuy wins the pot (9,985) with a pair of Jacks
MrDarling stands up
A freeroll satellite.
I was in an ok position after an hour and a half play. 1800 started, 225 left. first 36 advance to next level. was probably a little under average in chips.
the hand before I lost +2000 chip to someone slow playing a boat to my two pairs.
You see, I wasn't on full tilt starting the hand or I would have pushed allin preflop.
I wanted to see a cheap flop and lay it down to a scary one.
Flop was not the best , so I fired and information bet.
And as soon as he raised, something happened , I didn't even consider it for one second, I just pushed raise. IF you see, I didn't even bother to raise allin. I didn't really think he was bluffing. I didn't really THINK.
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:03 am GMT by MrDarling
BTW , I already hear you guys saying I should have pushed allin preflop or fold.
But I wasn't ready to do that yet. Villain is the BS on table, and he would have probably called. Then again, going out on a race would have been more dignified.
So I should have fold you say? Can't fold 9's.
If anything, I should have not bet on the flop, and lay it down to any bet with this flop.
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:08 am GMT by craggoo
You need to learn to laydown hands that are obviously beaten. End of story. If you have no patience and cant make laydowns that are that blatantly obvious you will never be a winning poker player... EVER.
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:55 am GMT by MrDarling
Thank guys.
Those are great advices...
This is just a rant on a couple of times when one act before thinking.
I know perfectly well to lay down hands.
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:35 am GMT by Fat Tony
| MrDarling wrote: | | I know perfectly well to lay down hands. |
Knowing it and doing it are two different things. You need to start actually laying down down hands that are beaten, not just know that you should but call/raise anyway.
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:29 am GMT by MrDarling
lmao.
Guys , I'm talking about a couple of specific times when you know you are doing the wrong thing. I'm talking about a couple of times when you act before thinking. I'm talking about temporary lack of insanity.
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:34 am GMT by mooseontheloose
I used to have this problem when I would be shortstacked and someone would show strength. I would feel like this pot is my last chance to do something, screw him for trying to bully me off it and I'd push going on the fact that everyone bluffs sometimes. Of course, the strength he showed put him on the exact card he would represent and I'd be out.
I've gotten over this pretty quickly since realizing this as a hole, not really sure how. I read a book or two but mainly just Forced myself to think about hands. If I'm not going to bother to think about the hand postflop, I may as well just push with whatever preflop - that's sort of the thought process I came up with.
Hope you can figure it out and get past it, I know you said it was rare but even one buy-in is still something unpleasant to lose to bad judgement.
|
|
