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Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:31 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
Fuming here, don't know where to post so it's going here. I'm not whining that I had bad beats or whatever, but over the past 2 days I have had the most BS calls suck out on me, I am truly sick of it.
1) QQ push preflop, called by A9o and hits the A
2) 99 push preflop, called by A6o and KJs, hits the K
3 88 push on flop of 247, called by ATs, hits the 10
4) AJo push on flop of AJ5, called by 66 and hits 6 on river
5) QQ push on flop of T74 and get called by A3o, hits his A on river! (gotta be kidding me!)
I know this stuff happens but it's just unreal at times. Every single tournament I've played over the last 2 days has seen me go out with the best hand when I push only to get called by a Brutal hand that sucks out. I know it's poker, I just wanted to vent so bare with me 
Note: In all of the above cases, none of the callers were huge or small stacks, commited to the pot or anything of the such. They simply made retarded calls.
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Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:38 pm GMT by Icec0o1
Everyone has those really bad streaks. Mine was early this year and it was a hell of a lot worse then yours, judging from the hands you posted. Just make sure you're playing small enough stakes for your bankroll to support the streak and keep on playing when you're not angry/tilting out. It'll change eventuallly.
Posted Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:50 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
Sigh, JJ preflop UTG push and called by QTo, Q comes on the turn. Seems every damn call they hit the card that can save them.
I know, I'm not saying this is the worst streak ever, I'm just saying I'm sick and tired of it. My BR can handle losing these tournaments but I'm just disgusted at how many times complete moronic calls are getting paid off.
Anyway, sorry to complain, just pretty GD annoyed right now. Hard enough getting going early on being pretty card dead lately, it's even worse that as soon as I find a hand I get called by crap and sucked out on.
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:53 am GMT by craggoo
This is why i dont play tourneys. They reward lucky players with wins not good players. A decent amount of skill and A LOT of luck is required to win a tournament... you have to win i would say 5-10 coinflips in order to have a shot at the final table. In theory, a coin landing tales 5-10 times in a row is not likelly. I hope you're seeing what im getting at here. Im not saying you're a bad player (im sure you're very good). You cant deny this logicial argument though.
-Cragg
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:12 am GMT by MrDarling
Thats bad luck. And it is sick.
But that will happen in low levels S&G. players consider Ax a good calling cards, and lets face it , their odds are not that bad. Check some odds :
QQ vs A9o - they will win 1 out of 4 games. Bad call.
99 vs A6o vs KJs - the KJ is actually in front (just a tad though)
88 vs ATs - flop 247 rainbow - again 25% to win. against 247 with flush draw, they are in front.
Problem is, in tourney odds changes, people react to your table image , beating pattern etc...
Thats not true. in the short run, tourney might favor luck over skill, but not on the ling run.
Luckily, with internet you can play a hugh MTT a day or loads of S&G. So the odds are on the skill side.
I've had loads of bad runs and thought I was losing lost of money on tournaments and S&G until I checked my states. In the 50+ I played I'm 45% ROI and I'm in profit. that includes S&G I played when just starting to play poker for money, few stupid ventures into higher levels etc..
I'm by now mean the best poker player, but even I can make money out of them.
And no , I'm not that lucky, I usually shy away from allin and coin flip - thats why my %ROI is soo small still
Posted Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:15 am GMT by mooseontheloose
| MrDarling wrote: | Thats bad luck. And it is sick.
But that will happen in low levels S&G. players consider Ax a good calling cards, and lets face it , their odds are not that bad. Check some odds :
QQ vs A9o - they will win 1 out of 4 games. Bad call.
99 vs A6o vs KJs - the KJ is actually in front (just a tad though)
True, BUT who in their right mind calls an All-in as a medium sized stack (if he lost he was crippled) when there has already been a caller in front? That's what I meant by a bad call in that case
88 vs ATs - flop 247 rainbow - again 25% to win. against 247 with flush draw, they are in front.
He didn't have a flush draw though, he called with ATs as overcards... |
These were all MTTs BTW, not SnGs.
Anyway, yeh I know that luck plays a big factor but like I said, I wouldn't mind if I were truly losing races. If I had QQ, pushed and was called by AK or something, win or lose I'd at least know the play on both sides was correct and my luck was good or bad. But when people are making absolutely terrible calls and still getting lucky on me over and over it's pretty frustrating.
Nothing I can do but continue plugging away. I'm just playing $1 MTTs for this week hoping for a big payout (1st is usually $170-220) since I'll be depositing more into my BR next week and can finally take on the $5 SnGs. So yeh, it's not losing a few bucks that bothers me as I know it's a longshot to win, but damn it'd be nice to stop getting dead cards and finally win one of these ridiculous calls lol.
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:48 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| craggoo wrote: | | This is why i dont play tourneys. They reward lucky players with wins not good players. A decent amount of skill and A LOT of luck is required to win a tournament... |
With regards to getting lucky to make final table in a tournament in a large field, I agree with you - there is some luck involved. But to go as far as saying that they reward lucky players and not good players...I must disagree.
1) Anyone could win a huge tournament with no luck headed their way. It is very unlikely, but still possible. With that being said, we see that luck is not nessecarily the dominant force behind winning tournaments. Though it's effective, good skill can overcome it. Afterall, good tournament players do not like to take unnessecary races and will often surrender chips to avoid them.
2) Better tournament players will simply do better in tournaments than poor tournament players. This is common sense.
Saying that bad/lucky players win more is like saying that the players who constantly get their money in as underdogs still win more often in cash games or SnGs.
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:20 pm GMT by UrAteUp
It's rigged...  
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:36 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
BAHHH!!
My first MTT in a while, 1st hand I'm dealt 33 UTG and limp to try and see it cheap. In MP it gets raised from 20 to 80, then the BB raises it to 160 and I decide to lay it down.
Flop? 358
Turn? 3!!!!!
I would've gotten so paid off as the guy that raised from BB made a FH w/ his Kings on the river. Can't believe my luck. I honestly felt I should make that fold, but someone please tell me I did the right thing because I almost bitch slapped myself when that hand unfolded.
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:04 pm GMT by ninetensuited
go ahead and slap yourself, its well known that in online poker, that 3's and 7's and 9's are the most used cards on the board lol
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:12 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
/cry 
How can I call a raise and reraise, one very first hand and feel confident? OH YEH, I SHOULD'VE KNOWN QUADS WERE COMING!!
Silly me
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:54 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
My luck these days, sigh...
Played a 9 person SnG, got the CL quick and played well. When down to 5 I raised with AA, smallish stack goes All-in and I call, he flips over KJo and cards come 910A3Q.
After that, no cards and fell into last when it was down to 4. CL was raises my blinds everytime, I get KJs and re-raise him All-in and he calls, flips over KTo. Cards come 35T9A.
Hopefully this luck streak passes soon Sick of going in while ahead and constantly losing lol.
Posted Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:06 pm GMT by dave374000
| mooseontheloose wrote: | Fuming here, don't know where to post so it's going here. I'm not whining that I had bad beats or whatever, but over the past 2 days I have had the most BS calls suck out on me, I am truly sick of it.
1) QQ push preflop, called by A9o and hits the A
2) 99 push preflop, called by A6o and KJs, hits the K
3 88 push on flop of 247, called by ATs, hits the 10
4) AJo push on flop of AJ5, called by 66 and hits 6 on river
5) QQ push on flop of T74 and get called by A3o, hits his A on river! (gotta be kidding me!)
I know this stuff happens but it's just unreal at times. Every single tournament I've played over the last 2 days has seen me go out with the best hand when I push only to get called by a Brutal hand that sucks out. I know it's poker, I just wanted to vent so bare with me
Note: In all of the above cases, none of the callers were huge or small stacks, commited to the pot or anything of the such. They simply made retarded calls. |
Two important questions:
A) What buy in level are you playing?
B) What time (EST) do you generally play?
A - because low limit is filled with donks, many of whom don't even know simple hand rank ... so they'll call anything.
B - if you're playing late at night, especially on the weekend, you're gonna run into drunks who may know hand rank ... but can't see their cards ... so they'll call anything.
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:16 am GMT by MrDarling
I play the 1$ S&G and its true , it is full with people who will make bad calls, push with rags etc, with the excuse - its only a buck.
I now started to tell them, its not a $1 , its $17 (or what ever 1st prize is)
Sure, often they will suck you out (I got my A's cracked by J5 and JK on a 5JJ flop) but in the long run , you are winning. This is why I play S&G and do not favor big MTT in this levels. 45 players S&G takes a littlel onger then an hour, and when I make 1st, the pay is not that bad.
I have long losing streaks , but then again, when I check my overall performance , I'm still a little a head.
Just grind in there , play some bigger S&G, where you invest less time, and continue to play your game. Do not adjust your game too much or it will usffer when you climb up in levels.
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am GMT by mooseontheloose
Yeh, I know I'm basically doing the right things (getting money in while I'm ahead) so I'm sure it'll even out eventually. And yes this is the $1 level, soon I'll be able to play the $5 SnGs which will be a relief, the few I've played while under-BR'd I've done quite well and I'll likely move up in MTT buy-in as well to like $3 or $4 to rid the field of a few donks.
Either way, I know donks are out there in low buy-ins, but my luck with running into trash and still losing lately has been pretty crappy
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:45 am GMT by UrAteUp
| mooseontheloose wrote: | Yeh, I know I'm basically doing the right things (getting money in while I'm ahead) so I'm sure it'll even out eventually. And yes this is the $1 level, soon I'll be able to play the $5 SnGs which will be a relief, the few I've played while under-BR'd I've done quite well and I'll likely move up in MTT buy-in as well to like $3 or $4 to rid the field of a few donks.
Either way, I know donks are out there in low buy-ins, but my luck with running into trash and still losing lately has been pretty crappy |
To beat a donkey you have to think like a donkey.... . To be honest it does not matter what level you go up to. Donkeys are found on every buyin level of poker. Heck I watched a guy playing donkey poker at Doyles in the $200/$400 NL rooms this weekend. It was totally amazing that he played that way at such high levels to me. Glad I wasn't there playing because I know I would have wanted to kill him... . I am sure others here who do play the higher levels will tell you there are donkeys in their levels as well. These are the people who pay us off in the long run and who finance our bankrolls in the long run. Embrace the donkey...love the donkey...
Posted Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:23 pm GMT by mooseontheloose
haha very true, more so in ring games though. Like I said, my money keeps going in while I'm ahead most times so eventually the donkeys will run out of luck
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