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Call this?



Posted Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:13 pm GMT by Ryan_j37
PokerStars Game #6017018823: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/08/22 -
22:16:08 (ET)
Table 'Venetia II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: JSS413 ($3.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Ryan_j37 ($18.85 in chips)
Seat 3: ramrod11 ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Zaniite24 ($5.80 in chips)
Seat 5: __Mav4life__ ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: PEACE BUD!! ($11 in chips)
Seat 7: sonofawhale ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 8: Fed Chair ($12.75 in chips)
Seat 9: grandadjohn1 ($11.35 in chips)
sonofawhale: posts small blind $0.05
Fed Chair: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ryan_j37 Queen of SpadesQueen of Clubs
grandadjohn1: calls $0.10
JSS413: folds
Ryan_j37: raises $0.50 to $0.60
ramrod11: folds
Zaniite24: folds
__Mav4life__: folds
PEACE BUD!!: folds
sonofawhale: folds
Fed Chair: folds
grandadjohn1: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** Four of SpadesSix of SpadesFive of Diamonds
grandadjohn1: checks
Ryan_j37: bets $0.70
grandadjohn1: calls $0.70
*** TURN *** Four of SpadesSix of SpadesFive of Diamonds Four of Hearts
grandadjohn1: checks
Ryan_j37: bets $1.50
grandadjohn1: calls $1.50
*** RIVER *** Four of SpadesSix of SpadesFive of DiamondsFour of Hearts Seven of Diamonds
grandadjohn1: bets $8.55 and is all-in
Ryan_j37: ???


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Posted Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:43 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Easy fold.


Posted Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:49 am GMT by Poto
Fold. He check calls all the way which obviously indicates a draw and when an obvious straight hits on the river he open pushes. Sure, this could be a donk push with god knows what, but it's most likely -Ev to call in this spot.


Posted Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:32 am GMT by Ryan_j37
yea i folded. Just wanted to see if it was the right play. Was my play fine for the rest of the hand?


Posted Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:06 am GMT by Poto
Well I think it would be better to bet closer to the pot on both the flop and turn, especially with a board that coordinated.


Posted Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:48 am GMT by UrAteUp
Not so sure I would lay this hand down or not. That is a very large pre-flop raise and one I couldn't see too many weak hands calling. Possible villian has 88, but also possible villian had AA, KK or AK. Another possibility is villian has JJ. Without knowing for sure I think the lay down was right.


Posted Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:09 am GMT by MrDarling
hard fold.
I agree about pot bet size on the flop.
Much harder to chase with such.

So guys , which hands you'd hold to call such a bet. Would you fold A's?



Posted Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:02 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
MrDarling wrote:
So guys , which hands you'd hold to call such a bet. Would you fold A's?

A better question is, "would you fold ONE PAIR on board that did not hit your hand at all and has the potential to hit an opponent big... an opponent who has shown strength every step of the way?"

Yes, I'd fold Aces here. Wouldn't feel too bad about it, either, because the difference between QQ and AA here is negligible.



Posted Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:27 am GMT by tame_deuces
MrDarling wrote:

Much harder to chase with such.


You generally prefer it if people chase.

And the only difference between QQ and AA here is that AA beats KK and splits with AA, hands which given the action are fairly unlikely. Like Diamond said, negligible difference.






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