Example of an Easy Overpair Laydown |
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Posted Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:01 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
... that I didn't make because I'm retarded.
PokerStars Game #6067589318: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/08/27 - 04:52:49 (ET)
Table 'Hus' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Aphong ($7.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Turn_Prophet ($88.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Jerahmi8780 ($46.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Deftones345 ($70.90 in chips)
Seat 5: musclewheels ($61.30 in chips)
Seat 6: njmasou011 ($50.10 in chips)
Aphong: posts small blind $0.25
Turn_Prophet: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Turn_Prophet  
Jerahmi8780: calls $0.50
Deftones345: folds
musclewheels: folds
njmasou011: raises $1 to $1.50
Aphong: calls $1.25
Turn_Prophet: raises $3.50 to $5
Jerahmi8780: folds
njmasou011: raises $3.50 to $8.50
Aphong: folds
Turn_Prophet: calls $3.50
*** FLOP ***   
Turn_Prophet: checks
njmasou011: bets $11.50
Turn_Prophet: calls $11.50
*** TURN *** 
Turn_Prophet: checks
njmasou011: bets $30.10 and is all-in
Turn_Prophet: calls $30.10
*** RIVER *** 
If you can't guess what he had, stop playing Poker. I probably should after this disgrace.
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Posted Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:22 am GMT by UrAteUp
We all have at least one of these times when the brain takes a vacation during a hand....  ...just try not to let it take too long of a vacation... 
Posted Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:10 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
My guess is bullets.
Posted Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:06 pm GMT by Johny
AA or KK
Posted Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:13 pm GMT by Cricket_Fire
72os
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:50 am GMT by efram
I saw a hand exactly like this in a STT a while back.
I got QQ and re-raised pre-flop and got re-raised big.
I thought for awhile, thought about this forum actually, my wife was watching at the time, I said to her, "this usually means he has AA or KK and I should probly fold"
I thought for awhile longer and folded QQ pre-flop.
He showed AA.
One of my best lay downs ever and I couldn't have made that laydown without reading this forum.
DCx proves the point again. We can learn from each other's mistakes.
Thanks for the post DCx.
Villian has AA here.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:52 am GMT by Dat_Dude
nh
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:03 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
Not at all an easy laydown Turn, 75% of the time the dude will have AJ, think his TPTK is gold and you will be laughing.
Very few situations in which i could make a laydown there, one of those times when it's all going in regardless 
Altho for me, it's all going in on the flop rather than the turn 
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:07 am GMT by Dat_Dude
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | Not at all an easy laydown Turn, 75% of the time the dude will have AJ, think his TPTK is gold and you will be laughing.
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In this case, I disagree. I don't think this preflop action looks like AJ to me. I think it basically only fits AA, KK, or AK. I guess it is Villain dependent...he could be a maniac.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:58 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
Yeah, i hadn't looked at the preflop yet, i agree, it's AK and he spiked a lucky river after getting it all in with A hi
j/k, it's AA, only time you get reraised preflop is with AA 
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:38 am GMT by UrAteUp
AA or KK for sure. Could be JJ but I doubt it. Might even be AK  and went all in with the river K but I kind of doubt that. My guess or actually my read would say AA or KK. Since Diamond, in his own words, was too mentally challenged (political correct term) to lay it down telling us he got beat, then I have to go with AA,KK or AK.
Well just goes to show DC kind of plays like PH...
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:00 pm GMT by shorn7
I think this hand is totally villain dependent. I know many players who will make the third preflop raise with AK and bet the whole way too. So, I don't think this is an autofold on the turn. I am not saying it is an autocall either, but it isn't so easy.
This hand illustrates one reason why I rarely re-raise with QQ preflop. Many will disagree, but IMO in NL, QQ when facing a raise becomes a set value hand and unless you committ a lot of $$ on the second raise, you aren't going to get AK to fold here. So, a second raise with QQ becomes and informational raise to try and find out if villain has a hand you can beat. The problem is that you generally don't find that out as lots of players will just call with AA, KK or AK as they would with pairs JJ and below. So, in effect, you are building a big pot preflop with a hand that most often doesn't want to play a big pot.
Yes, there will be times when you will be pricing in other hands with a simple call that would fold otherwise, but I think this is more than compensated by the fact that often an Ace or King will come on the flop when you hold QQ. Bottom line...I try not to get to married to QQ until I see a board that I like. Some will call this too conservative, but in general, I don't find QQ to be such a huge money maker in NL that I am giving too much away by playing it this way.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:44 pm GMT by Johny
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Well just goes to show DC kind of plays like PH... |
Umm Hellmuth dodges bullets remember?
Posted Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:49 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Yes, the villain had AA here.
Even if he was making a clever bluff, though, I should have laid this down. With my style, I can often trap people when I'm holding something like 97 or a small set and I'm a huge favorite, so why bother putting in so much money with just a pair when there's a better than average chance I'm beat?
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