Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:30 am GMT by shorn7
Game is $5/$10, $1000 max. I have only been playing for about 1/2 hour. Villain is a player that I have seen before. Seems pretty solid, but can be somewhat aggressive too. He is a quick hitter though...likes to double or close to double and then leave the table. I have $920 in front and villain has me covered.
I get 6  6  OTB. 1 limper to villain in the cutoff who limps, I limp, SB completes and BB checks so we go 5-handed to the flop.
Flop comes 7  6 Q  . Checked to villain who bets $20. HU, I might just call and trap here but not with multiple draws on the table and multiple opponents. I raise close to pot sized making it $80 to go (any of you guys smooth call here?). Folded back to villain who calls relatively quickly. My thoughts on his hand range are narrowed a bit by his call...I think he could have top pair/decent kicker (like K, J, or T), flush draw, 77, str8 draw, or combination draw. Pot is now $210.
Turn is the T for a board of 7 6 Q T . Villain checks again. I lead for $125 (too small?) giving villain 2.5 to 1 to draw if he is still drawing. He quickly checkraises all-in for my remaining $705. So , it is $1,165 for me to call $705 or around 1.7 to 1. What do you do and why?
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Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:57 am GMT by UrAteUp
As for raising after the flop, yes I would raise after the flop. The reason is because a set is vulnerable and I think you want to drive bad hands out of this pot. No way would I just call here. Villian most likely put you on TPTK.
Your only screwed if villian limped in with 77, 1010 or QQ. I doubt the later two because most players raise 1010 and QQ, at least in the levels I play they do. I think Villian could have made two pair or be trying to scare you off the pot. I make this call I think.
Can't wait to see how this turned out...  . Your a good player Shorn with good understanding of the game so I look forward to how you handled this.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:19 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
I like the limp preflop. In a multi-way pot you are playing for a set obviously with the low pairs.
On the flop, I think you MUST raise. There are too many people in this pot that could have picked up that flush draw, so we need to drive them out with a big raise. Pot sized is perfect.
The call by Villain is interesting. At this point, I cannot put him on a set, because why wouldn't he try and get it all in right now? It is pretty obvious that you hit that flop in some way and if he has the set of 7's, he doesn't want anyone drawing to THEIR flush.
I bet that turn for sure, but probably about 150-175. The only reason to bet smaller is so you can reasonably fold if Villain puts all his chips in, which he did.
At this point, I think I would call. You said Villain is aggressive, therefore I cannot see him limping with TT in the CO. At this point, I am putting him on one of two hands; one that you beat and the other one you dont, but have outs. I could definintely see 89o or 89:diamond: here. That is a good hand to limp with and make a smallish flop bet. He did call that flop raise without odds if this is the case, but it is still possible. The other hand that we beat is KJ:diamond: for the flush and open ended straight draw.
I would go ahead and make the call here. If he has us beat, we SHOULD have outs, but there is a good chance we are still ahead.
I am also interested in seeing the results 
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:44 pm GMT by shorn7
OK...Results.
Pot odds are a big factor here as is my read on villain obviously. Combined, I thought that I had at least 33% equity in this pot already and even if I was behind to 89 (I didn't put him on 77, QQ or TT) that I certainly had outs to fill. So, the combined probability (again in my mind) of my current equity (since I definitely put QT in his hand range or top pair, FD (like AQd) and maybe also a big str8 draw too with KJd. If the combined chances of him holding any of these draws is as little as 20%, I am getting the proper odds to call as it adds 16% to my equity of 24% to fill, so 40% to win the pot of 1.5 to 1). So, I called. He turns over 89o, the river doesn't pair the board and I lose.
So the big question is was I too liberal in terms of hands I could legitimately put him on? Frankly, I couldn't see him having a bigger set than me since 77 probably re-raises the flop and definitely leads the turn if it just calls the flop. QQ probably raises preflop and TT wouldn't call the pot sized raise I made on the flop (and might have raised preflop as well). So, legitimately, the only hand that I put him on that I lose too was 89. That being my read, there were more hands that I was ahead of than behind that I thought he would play similarly, so I thought the call was reasonable. But playing Monday quarterback, I am trying to see if my logic is at all flawed.
I realize that sometimes you just have to go broke. I just want to be sure that this was one of those times.
Thanks,
Shorn
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:01 pm GMT by UrAteUp
This was one of those times I think. Unless you can really set down (as it seems you have) and find a legitimate hand you can put him on during this hand then I think you are destined to go broke here. I know I most likely would have.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:24 pm GMT by snoogins47
I think calling the flop is a viable option, but I generally raise here too. Regardless, yeah, you gotta call on the turn. I like the bet size on the turn: we're just asking for trouble if we go nuts here, given the board and stacks. We've basically got to get way out of line and be stupid if we want to actually do anything to the draws... The $125 ish bet is good: let's make sure overpair/top pair hands have a reason to get involved.
Ni Han sir. Just remember to hit your boat next time.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:53 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
I think I play it pretty much the same way. 77 and 89 are the only hands to realistically worry about, but I have no problem going broke with a set on a fairly benign board.
So did hit-and-run douchebag get up and leave after he stacked you?
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:19 pm GMT by shorn7
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Of course. But, I will see him again so I will have my shot again. :D
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