three consecutive donk outs |
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Posted Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:32 am GMT by mrcfkane
all of these knocked me out of 3 consecutive sngs
donk out the first
i call from mid position with a5 of clubs and call a small raise by the bb. flop comes out a-4-5 bb bets the pot, i figure bb is defending against 4th spade card with ace-10ish, i call (didnt want to gamble 2 streets if he had a stray spade and wanted to call). blank comes on the flop, bb goes all in and i call....bb has a9 and spikes the nine on the river
donk out the second
very 1st hand of the next game..utg min raises to 80, utg+1 calls, i raise to 370 with kings folds around to utg+1 who goes all in which i call. he has a9 and hits an ace on the river
donk the third
heads up in a 6 man sng...blinds are 100-200, villian leads preflopwith a bet of 625, i have ak and go all in for 2800 more and he calls and hits a ten on the turn
i wish i were a donkey
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Posted Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:58 am GMT by Dat_Dude
Sure, on the surface these might seem like really bad beats, but in my opinion, they aren't worthy of calling people a donkey. You left out stack sizes in these scenarios. Were you or him shortstacked? Were either of you deepstacked? That makes a HUGE difference here.
Hand 1:
Can you blame the guy for going all in? You didn't raise preflop, so he has to think when the Ace hits on the flop that his 9 kicker is probably good.
Hand 2:
This isn't THAT bad of a beat. Would you have felt better about having your Kings cracked if he pushed with AK, AQ, AJ? This is also not a donkey play on his part. If you have a middle pocket pair, he just got himself into a coinflip.
Hand 3:
I assume villain had AT? Do you know how strong AT is HEADS UP? In heads up play almost any Ace is good. Villain actually was unlucky that you woke up with AK at the same time he had AT. Usually AT is a favorite against any random hand.
I agree that you got unlucky here, but be careful going around calling people donkeys when their plays may have been justified in one way or another. Dont be Phil Hellmuth. 
Posted Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:53 pm GMT by mrcfkane
| Dat_Dude wrote: | Sure, on the surface these might seem like really bad beats, but in my opinion, they aren't worthy of calling people a donkey. You left out stack sizes in these scenarios. Were you or him shortstacked? Were either of you deepstacked? That makes a HUGE difference here.
Hand 1:
Can you blame the guy for going all in? You didn't raise preflop, so he has to think when the Ace hits on the flop that his 9 kicker is probably good.
Hand 2:
This isn't THAT bad of a beat. Would you have felt better about having your Kings cracked if he pushed with AK, AQ, AJ? This is also not a donkey play on his part. If you have a middle pocket pair, he just got himself into a coinflip.
Hand 3:
I assume villain had AT? Do you know how strong AT is HEADS UP? In heads up play almost any Ace is good. Villain actually was unlucky that you woke up with AK at the same time he had AT. Usually AT is a favorite against any random hand.
I agree that you got unlucky here, but be careful going around calling people donkeys when their plays may have been justified in one way or another. Dont be Phil Hellmuth. |
chips stacks were close to even in all of them which was about table aveerage in 1, was exactly table average in 2 (very first hand of the sng),
and villian had 3-2 chip lead on me in hand 3
villian one, i agree not a donkey but still a big time suckout. it always feels worse when the play works as planned and is not enough
how the hell do you defend villian 2...very first hand, raise, call, reraise and he goes all in with A9. are you f*cking kidding me? thats donkey with aj and aq with a9 thats pure idiocy. there is not a single hand NOT A SINGLE HAND THAT DONKEY WAS BEATING. at BEST case he on the losing hand of a coinflip and 19 out of 20 times he is crushed. sure its not the ridiculous runner runner but the play was absolutely moronic. anyone who doesn't think that was full blown donkeyass play needs to needs to rethink
villian 3 had king 10, which is strong heads up but not against a tight players all in rearaise, again best case is a coinflip
EDIT: checked my hand history ....villian 3 had a big chip advantage over me so the final call wasnt so donkey (although i will refrain from steaming about how he did the big lead). and hellmuth is no match for my steaming fits
Posted Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:03 pm GMT by vyni
It can be frustrating but all 3 of these instances are fairly common.
Hand 2 should have been expected: A9, A2, AQ what's the difference: you only have a pair of kings - flop, turn, river, wherever it falls any ace beats you. You'r a big favorite preflop, but it happens. A lot.
Hand 3, it's ace high. Coin toss situation.
It doesnt really get bad until you tilt over it.
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:27 am GMT by mrcfkane
| vyni wrote: | It can be frustrating but all 3 of these instances are fairly common.
Hand 2 should have been expected: A9, A2, AQ what's the difference: you only have a pair of kings - flop, turn, river, wherever it falls any ace beats you. You'r a big favorite preflop, but it happens. A lot.
Hand 3, it's ace high. Coin toss situation.
It doesnt really get bad until you tilt over it. |
i know hand 2 happens a lot...if it were ak i'd have been pist but not as much. its the fact that he played it like a chimpanzee and gets rewarded.
hand 3, ak vs k10 is not a coinflip
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