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Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:23 am GMT by mindgame
That if congress outlaws all online gambling in the US, we will have NO RECOURSE if we've been cheated, conned, hoodwinked, scammed, and swindled???
It would be like going to police when a dope pusher sells you powdered sugar instead of herion. I mean, don't you just HATE when that happens? But what do you do? Tell the vice squad the guy's a crook?
My point is that you have no legal protection whatever when you are breaking federal law.
Kind of makes you wonder who's really behind it.
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Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:29 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
We don't have much recourse now, do we?
And, yes, as dumb as you believe us all to be, most of us have thought about that.
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:29 am GMT by Dave B
What recourse do we have now?
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:38 am GMT by mindgame
Well, we are not without some protection, I'd think. If you use an intermediary for deposits and withdrawls, and this intermediary has legitimate banking functions, these are regulated. Those firms would have to abide by a state attorney general's edicts when dealing with legal businesses. They could freeze funds, for instance, if enough complaints were tallied to make the officials take action.
If the online sites offer activities that are made illegal, then my bank will not be allowed to deal with them. There will be no shortage of firms, however, that will deal with my bank and also work with the poker sites--but these will be offshore (or otherwise out-of-jurisdiction) firms who will be subject to no regulation. The more links between you and the money, the harder it is to get it if there's a problem.
btw Sean--if my posts are worded in a way that you feel demeans or belittles the intelligence of other players, I want to assure you that it's not my intent to do so. I find most of those here to be bright, engaging individuals. I may not agree with a lot of people--especially about online poker--but I do not mean to suggest that those I disagree with are dumb (as you put it).
Far from it. Dave (above) is an excellent online player who makes a great deal of money that way. He and I rarely agree, but I have considerable respect for his opinions--they are well-expressed and typically thought through with care. It's just that they are mistaken.
that was a joke sean. sarcasm...not arrogance
okay... a little arrogance
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:38 am GMT by UrAteUp
| mindgame wrote: | That if congress outlaws all online gambling in the US, we will have NO RECOURSE if we've been cheated, conned, hoodwinked, scammed, and swindled???
It would be like going to police when a dope pusher sells you powdered sugar instead of herion. I mean, don't you just HATE when that happens? But what do you do? Tell the vice squad the guy's a crook?
My point is that you have no legal protection whatever when you are breaking federal law.
Kind of makes you wonder who's really behind it. |
Don't know about you...but I play at Doyles...I will hunt the old man down if I have to...  .
Just kidding of course. I know many have thought of this. Most poker sites are reputable enough to give you your money. They do not want problems in case things open back up to US players in the future or for other current players now.
As for that bill, piss on them limey bastards in congress. Let them all go to hell. Stopping Americans from playing poker on the internet is stupid. Why not spend more effort in health care reform, medicaid and medicare or stopping the flow of illegal immigrants into this country. Spend our tax dollars on more pressing issues and stop worrying about people playing poker on the internet.
Legalize too damn it!!!
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:42 am GMT by mindgame
"limey bastards"???
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:46 am GMT by UrAteUp
| mindgame wrote: | | "limey bastards"??? |
yeah it was what came to mind at the time...  . Even though now that I think about it alot worse words on are my mind for those malicious, self rightchous sons of a whore mongering backwoods bohemian b&&&f&*^ers....
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:00 am GMT by mindgame
Oh...you must mean congressmen.
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:04 am GMT by UrAteUp
| mindgame wrote: | | Oh...you must mean congressmen. |
yup...
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:45 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| mindgame wrote: | | ...It would be like going to police when a dope pusher sells you powdered sugar instead of herion. |
This happened on cops once except the substance was crack, not heroin. The crooked dealer was arrested.
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:13 pm GMT by mindgame
Damn straight!
How much deviance is a society supposed to tolerate?
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:17 pm GMT by lwestatbus
I'd like to call attention to a similar post I'd made a while ago. It didn't get much attention but it is on topic here and, I think, pertinent. It is at http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t18200/an-alarming-thought-about-a-us-online-poker-ban?highlight=
I also remember a case from my MBA Business Law class (25 years ago) that established some principle or other in common law where two English highwaymen in the 18th century held up a coach. One of them cheated the other out of the proceeds and the offended thief had the bad sense to sue his partner. The judge heard the case, found for the plaintiff, ordered restitution, and then ordered that both parties to the suit be taken out and hung. I also remember from the same class that you have no rights to recover debts incurred as part of an illegal enterprise.
I continue to play and haven't pulled my money out but remain 'concerned'.
Posted Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:29 pm GMT by mindgame
Followed the link and I congratulate you on a well constructed piece. Clearly my head became engaged with the implications this legislation some weeks more slowly than the rest of you, as Sean suggested above.
As a practical matter, I would be reluctant to leave more than a few hundred bucks in any account until this issue is resolved.
Have there been hearings on this legislation? Anyone know who's been speaking for and who against?
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