Posted Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:04 pm GMT by WD-40
Playing a $20 sng on PS, all nine players still in it. I get A K offsuite in the cutoff position. Three or 4 limpers, and I raise it up...make $120 to go. The guy in the SB goes all-in.
This is only the 4th or 5th hand of the tourney. I had been getting great cards and been raising pre-flop and stealing the blinds, but had good cards to fall back on if called. I was chip leader at the time.
So, I think about it, and decide to fold.
The guy shows, J 3 offsuite and types in "I knew you were full of sh**, now quit stealing our blinds." I typed in that I had AK and he was an idiot.
He typed back, "you folded AK and call me the idiot?"
Question is...what would you have done? When someone risks their entire stack to win a couple of hundred in the pot, it seems to me like they have a big hand and are hoping the aggressive player (me, this time) will make the call. I dunno, maybe I'm the donk.
By the way, I won the tourney and he finished about 6th.
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Posted Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:34 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I think that if you know that you are comfortable with the players, and know that you can likely outplay them later, folding here is correct.
Why put your tournament life on the line as a 50-50 (possibility) shot, where you can outplay them later and gain a higher edge. The SnGs on Stars have a good structure too, so blinds aren't an issue.
Conversely, because of the situation you described, there is a good chance that the villain could be pushing with garbage, or better yet, AQ, AJ etc.. giving you almost a 3:1 advantage.
Also, by doubling up early you've got a better chance to win the whole thing.
Personally I call but no one could say that folding is 'wrong' here. Your opponent was wrong in calling you a donkey.
Posted Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:52 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
I would certainly call here. AK is a premium hand and you are only worried about AA here and I don't think AA would raise All-in (prolly just reraise).
I agree with what Leafs said though. I cannot say folding is the "wrong" play here, I just wouldn't do it.
Posted Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:56 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Call or push...with AK there is seldom a fold.
Posted Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:26 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| WD-40 wrote: | | This is only the 4th or 5th hand of the tourney. I had been getting great cards and been raising pre-flop and stealing the blinds, but had good cards to fall back on if called. |
That's the key. You know you've had good cards, but no one else has seen your hand yet. Eventually, people will play back at you with a wider range because they can't believe you're getting that many premium hands.
I think this should've been an easy call the way you described it.
Posted Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:05 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
There is nothing particularly wrong with folding here, you're only 4 or 5 hands inso there's no need to go risking your whole tourney on an 'unmade' hand.
For me, how i would play this is dependant on relative chipstacks, you say you had the lead... a small lead, say 2-300 I could possibly let this go, If i have him covered and still have 6-700 behind I would call.
Laying down AK here shows great discipline tho, still a long way to go 
Posted Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:02 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Call call and call again. You only get so many prime situations in a SnG.
Posted Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:52 am GMT by MrDarling
4 or 5 hands into the game and you already have table image of an aggressive blind stealer? This can sometime bite you in the ars 
if like you said you raised on every hand preflop and stole all blinds , then sure there is a chance he's pushing with rags... But there is also a chance he has a hand. AKo is a great hand to be pushing with, though if you feel comfortable with you play, do you really want to put all of your stack on a coin flip?
So there are no wrong moves here.
Am not sure about telling your cards - and defiantly not about calling him an idiot - he made you fold a premium hand. So his move was good here!
Posted Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:46 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Actually, Villains move was horrible.
Posted Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:24 pm GMT by zeroswarm
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Call call and call again. You only get so many prime situations in a SnG. |
I agree.
Posted Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:12 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | Actually, Villains move was horrible. |
Not as bad as Heros move was. Folding AK pre-flop is like elephant hunting with a BB gun...it just shouldn't be done....
Posted Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:13 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Pretty sure that folding is not "incorrect" in this situation.
Posted Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:52 am GMT by zoom1200
I would have called it.
Posted Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:48 am GMT by kingetje
The way you described it i wouldve probably folded it too. this guy could be shoving with any pocket pair and you are gonna have to catch something to stay alive or not get crippled or whatever
however, what diamond said is pretty true. there arent alot of situations like this in SnGs with opportunities like this.
but because its early on i fold. theres still plenty of room to play in the tourney which is the reason i make the money in most of my SnGs.... not all-in all-in all-in
Posted Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:47 am GMT by Moon_Child
what a EASY call there... before i finished reading ur post, i could tell he raised u because you've been doing it for a while... on the other hand, i would of call his all in because with AA KK, he wouldn't have pushed everything if he figured u were full of shyt. obviously he wanted u to call with AA or KK. even with QQ, you would of been a race situation which isn't so bad.
anyways, i don't see why you had to fold, yet at the same time, folding wasn't a bad decision because still early in the tourney.
edit: i don't even understand what i wrote and i'm too lazy to fix it.
Posted Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:18 pm GMT by aaronw
A case can be made for either side (either calling or folding). Personally, I probably would have called, but I'm not sure. However, I think the big mistake you made was telling the guy what you folded. You should NEVER show your cards or tell people your cards.
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