Posted Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:37 am GMT by MaxRounder
I do! Every single time...I raise...get a caller...lose on flop....all in...caller...
its like no matter what you only have a 50% chance of winning..those odds suck...just wanted to know what others do with the worst pocket pair.
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Posted Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:53 am GMT by ninetensuited
pocket 2's is not a hand that you would want to be raising or going all in with preflop, if your in late position, they are good for alimp to see if you flop a set, if you dont, get rid of them, other than that i say fold them preflop if your EP
Posted Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:20 am GMT by MrDarling
yeah, I see many player treat low pockets pairs as the nuts - often ever go allin preflop being first to act.
With low pockets you are actually BEHIND most suited connectors or any two face cards..
So yeah, I'd limp with pp from most position but will lay them down easily to any real raise (not to min raise mind you)
From late, I might raise in a semi-bluff attempt to steal the blinds.
Posted Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:35 am GMT by Pokerdealz
Same here, just limp or call a small raise.
Happened to me on a $50 max NL table with pocked 3`s.
I was on the button, someone raised it to $2 and 1 other caller.
I called.
Flop
A  3  K
I flopped trips, and suspected the other guys in the pot had an A or K, or even both. If they did have an A or K I knew they were not going for the flush.
I put in a limp bet, as if a feeler bet.
Got called then raised.
I waited a few seconds as if thinking about it, then pushed all in, as if trying to steal it.
First guys folded, second called. He had AK.
Turn and river didnt help him out and I scooped a pot of about $120.
Preflop, if anyone had raised more than $3, I would have folded.
Posted Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:36 am GMT by groton
i'll go all in with low PP.
if its just U vs just one other person.
Low PP's stand up normoly well.
but i would never raise all in with Low PP unless i knew it be Heads up action
Posted Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:05 am GMT by Pokerdealz
I used to try it that way, but lost too many times before.
I do play monster PP`s this way, but even then get beaten sometimes.
If you go all in with a small PP, you leave yourself wide open for running straight into AA or KK.
You may even get called by another small pocket pair, then it becomes a race for trips.
Too many "beginners" think AK means you have the nuts, and deserve to win the hand regardless of what anyone else does.
Most of the time if you go all in, an AK will call.
Which is why I only go all in with monster PP`s such as AA or KK. That way, if they catch, your normally already ahead.
Posted Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:40 am GMT by mindgame
The fact is that pocket dueces are a slight favorite over AK, or any other two unpaired hole cards. If your heads-up opponent is playing suited and unsuited connectors aggressively, as well as all high cards, you may well be ahead if he re-raises. He is almost certain to go all-in on AK, AQ, and KQ, suited or not. That's 48 hands. But all-in he is just as likely to be on a pair and there are 12 pairs higher than yours (72 hands). My take is that it's about 3-2 that you are behind.
Posted Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:22 am GMT by gumbie
| mindgame wrote: | | The fact is that pocket dueces are a slight favorite over AK, or any other two unpaired hole cards. |
This is false like most of the other nonsense you post.
Posted Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:47 am GMT by mindgame
What I wrote isn't entirely true, you're right. Heads up you'd want 22 against AK (even suited, although your edge there is less than 1% ). Your pair of ducks is slightly behind lower suited connected cards--the few extra straights you might pick up tip the balance away from the pair.
As for nonsense...it is an occasional transgression, I can't deny it. I'd much rather be guilty of it than arrogance, the choice you seem to prefer.
Posted Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:41 am GMT by MrDarling
Problem his , in a full table, from any position - how wold you know if you're going to end HU or with 2 or even 3 in the hand?
I've seen people push with low P's often , and I'm happy to call with almost any 2 face cards...even QTo is slightly favored against pocket 2's
Posted Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:37 pm GMT by Pokerdealz
I agree........
Look at it this way.....
Head to head I would rather push All-in with AK, than call an all-in with deuces.
Posted Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:42 pm GMT by MrDarling
btw, pocket 2's is pretty much like having Axo ... heads up your only a dog to AX or any pocket pair... So ask your self that, in a full ring game , would you raise with Ax?
Posted Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:56 pm GMT by Pokerdealz
No, I dont play rag aces.
Personally I limp with A2 A3 A4 A5 if they are suited.
Big raise with AK AQ AJ A10 if they are suited.
AK AQ AJ A10 unsuited I play depending on who I am up against.
Any other Ax, I fold without a second though.
If you cant get the straight, flush, or top pair with best kicker, your not going to get a big enough pot to justify playing them.
You play Ax and flop an A. You put in a big bet and someone calls or raises.........what now. You know the chances are they do also have an A, you also know that means they probably got a better kicker than you.
You just wasted cash or chips.
...............or you wait for the miracle card that gives you 2 pair.
Posted Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:17 am GMT by BMiller1980
| Pokerdealz wrote: | No, I dont play rag aces.
Personally I limp with A2 A3 A4 A5 if they are suited.
Big raise with AK AQ AJ A10 if they are suited.
AK AQ AJ A10 unsuited I play depending on who I am up against.
Any other Ax, I fold without a second though.
If you cant get the straight, flush, or top pair with best kicker, your not going to get a big enough pot to justify playing them.
You play Ax and flop an A. You put in a big bet and someone calls or raises.........what now. You know the chances are they do also have an A, you also know that means they probably got a better kicker than you.
You just wasted cash or chips.
...............or you wait for the miracle card that gives you 2 pair. |
Aren't A2, A3, A4, and A5 pretty much rags, suited or not? Personally, if I am going to play Ax suited, i'm raising an unraised pot from late position. I don't like the limp-in from early to mid position.
Posted Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:19 am GMT by Pokerdealz
Personally, I wouldnt count them as rage if they are suited.
I would put them in category of a workable hand, with multiple hand opportunites.
I limp because even if I catch the second ace on the flop, I will probably fold, as any callers of an aggressive raise, pre or post flop will probably have you beaten.
The limp disguises the fact that you have an A, as the general population raise with them.
If you catch 4 of the flush, your on a draw for the nut-flush, beating any other drawers who wont expect you to have the A.
If the draw does not pan out, you could catch the A pair beating the other inferior drawers.
Then you also have the added bonus of holding two cards that could connect a straight.
For me, its as important to study the community cards, and base my judgements on what others may be chasing, and looking into things beyond top pair with a decent kicker.
Posted Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:07 pm GMT by zeroswarm
I quite like pocket 2s. They play themselves and are simple to let go of.
Posted Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:41 pm GMT by ninetensuited
indeed, plus if you flop a set, you re gold against any over pair!!!!!!! i love pocket 2's for that simple fact
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