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Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:03 pm GMT by ComedyBee
Encountered this today where felt i should fold for the reasons outlined after the hand...
Full Tilt Poker Game #990451315: Table Gary - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:44:20 ET - 2006/09/11
Seat 1: loosecannon70 ($9.05)
Seat 3: SammyG113 ($11.45)
Seat 4: CrustyFace ($9.20)
Seat 5: SysExRadio ($7.50)
Seat 6: jleeman7777 ($7.95)
Seat 7: somethingcitrus ($5.50)
Seat 8: ggnoobs ($22.95)
Seat 9: Penter ($5.95)
SammyG113 posts the small blind of $0.05
CrustyFace posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CrustyFace  
Darrell5432 sits down
Darrell5432 adds $4
SysExRadio raises to $1.50
jleeman7777 folds
somethingcitrus has 15 seconds left to act
somethingcitrus folds
ggnoobs folds
Penter folds
loosecannon70 folds
somethingcitrus: you're good man, wow
CrustyFace: HOw do i play this, oh boy
SammyG113 has 15 seconds left to act
somethingcitrus: look
SammyG113 folds
CrustyFace: I can let this go.
CrustyFace folds
SammyG113: what kind of raise is that
Uncalled bet of $1.40 returned to SysExRadio
SysExRadio mucks
SysExRadio wins the pot ($0.25)
somethingcitrus: fxck that fxg
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.25 | Rake $0
Seat 1: loosecannon70 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: SammyG113 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: CrustyFace (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: SysExRadio collected ($0.25), mucked
Seat 6: jleeman7777 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: somethingcitrus didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: ggnoobs didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Penter didn't bet (folded)
I folded because:
1) I didnt remember much prior action from this guy.
2) A big raise can often indicate a frustration bet.
3) 55% chance of over cards. If one or more overcards come i dont know where i am.
What do you think?
CB
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Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:57 pm GMT by golddog
In absence of other evidence, I'm pretty much willing to give up on Jacks and let him have my dime too. I'll catch up later when I gather more evidence.
Let's say it's a bluff. Congratulations, he put 15BB at risk to win 1.5.
If it's not a bluff, it's either someone who's way overvaluing their 99, TT, 88, AK, etc, or someone who has no idea how to play KK AA QQ.
In either case, I'll get it back later.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:20 pm GMT by ComedyBee
I agree.
He said he had AK.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:31 pm GMT by Ciso_B
At a sickly high limit I could make a case for passing , but at this limit , you cant be sure your even against sane players. This is very passive just folding straight up in my opinion, when i play cash games I wait ages for a premium hand like that and u chuck it just to a raise  .
All the same , good discipline, dont need to gamble there , he could be overbetting bigger hand true.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:33 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I don't completely mind the fold here, but also agree with Ciso. At low stakes these players could literally be raising like that with garbage. JJ's value increases a bit and I'm willing to go broke on a 345 flop if villain happen to has QQ-AA. More times than not you'll likely win, not to mention the set possibility on the flop.
On a side note, whenever people typle in their chat "how do I play this..?", It's often JJ 8).
Carefull  .
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:09 am GMT by TheSalche
yeah ... wouldnt type how do i play this in the chat box and then fold ...
calling / raising all-in are close, depends how comfortable you feel with postflop play out of position (supafrey likes that)
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:25 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Easiest fold in the world in my book.
If he wants to stick 15 BB out there to win 1/10 of that, fine by me. There's no good reason to get involved with Jacks, or anything other than Aces or Kings really, unless this is a chronic problem with him doing this.
I don't mind playing out of position vs. a raise with hands worse than JJ, but come on, those are lousy implied odds he's offering.
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:55 am GMT by fiezk
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | Easiest fold in the world in my book.
If he wants to stick 15 BB out there to win 1/10 of that, fine by me. There's no good reason to get involved with Jacks, or anything other than Aces or Kings really, unless this is a chronic problem with him doing this.
I don't mind playing out of position vs. a raise with hands worse than JJ, but come on, those are lousy implied odds he's offering. |
Agree completely. Betting big with great hands is a winning strategy at the lowest level because most opponents are willing to call even 15bb raises with far inferior hands.
When I played NL10 I used to raise to $1 pf with aces and kings. Only way to isolate 1-2 opponents for one thing, makes for really easy flop play also.
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:17 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Raising to 1$ with AA or KK at 10NL is a bad play imo.
Unless of course there is a raise behind you, that's different.
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:41 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | Raising to 1$ with AA or KK at 10NL is a bad play imo.
Unless of course there is a raise behind you, that's different. |
Quoted because I agree. A 10xBB raise here actually screams small/mid pp or AK.
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:36 pm GMT by fiezk
| UrAteUp wrote: | | LeafsFan1122 wrote: | Raising to 1$ with AA or KK at 10NL is a bad play imo.
Unless of course there is a raise behind you, that's different. |
Quoted because I agree. A 10xBB raise here actually screams small/mid pp or AK. |
This is a contradiction. If it screams small/mid pp or AK then people will call with worse hands (and invest 10% of a full buy in before the flop, thus making it a good play.
I'm not saying Villain necessarily had QQ+ in the hand above, just that it is a commonly used strategy. You have almost nothing invested in the pot, is this really a hand where you feel you are ahead of an unknown's hand distribution? Remember, you have nothing but a very slight edge if Villain doesn't have a smaller pair, and you're out of position.
Posted Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:11 am GMT by kingetje
On some days, i would just go ahead and put this douchebag all-in right there. screw that guy and his pocket fives AND his remaining 6 dollars
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