Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:30 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Okay, so typically when players are running bad, they tell themselves to take a break from poker, and when they come back, the bad luck should go away.
But is it really a certain period of time that you run bad for, or is it a quantity of hands?
So basically, if you're running bad, can you simply play to get the bad hands over with until you finally get back to the good?
Also, I understand that when you're on a downswing, the bad luck, fear of losing, and just plain tilt all factor into your play.
Not so sure what I'm getting at here.
For me personally, i've been running bad latley so what I've done is:
a) play smaller stakes / buyins
b) different games
c) play less frequently
The smaller stakes definately make losing not as bad, and the new games are a fun and a refreshing time away from holdem and O8/b.
I guess I'm just looking for comments on this rather useless post.
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Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:41 pm GMT by Ryan231
I've been running badly for the last 2-3 weeks. Not sure what I'm supposed to do different, getting real old when I bubble to things like 2 outters and runner runner flushes. I've been playing lower stakes but it really doesn't seem to be helping, same old thing lately; Getting a very low amount of good starting hands and when I do get them I get heavily outflopped or sucked out on.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:05 pm GMT by ComedyBee
I have found that running bad is indirectly caused by bad morale and bad morale is directly caused by running bad. Given this, it is easy to slip into the vicious circle of bad moral refueling itself. You get impatient and play hands you really shouldn't, you get into self denial, thinking you're not tilting when you are.
My opinion is that the best thing you can do is take a break for a couple of days, it has helped me in the past. During this period dont even log into your poker program, not even to check the balance for the nth time.
I suggest that you read through your past weeks hand history. Be honest with yourself, go through and recalculate the odds, highlight areas that you need to improve on.
The real important concept here is not to go back to playing with the sole aim of:
a) Making money
b) Making back the money you lost
Go back to improve your game.
Consider that you should be taking pleasure out of being beaten by some of the bad calls you recieve. Don't get angry with the guy at the table, compliment him regarding his bad play. Don't forget that these are the people you want to play against, the people that will pay you off more times than not.
And don't play outside of your bankroll.
CB
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:43 pm GMT by Johny
I think taking time off is the best thing to do. I was running bad for a while so I decided to take a break. I tried everything else, playing only cash games, then MTTs and finally SnGs. Nothing worked so a break was in order. I haven't played online for almost a month and a half and I've only played in one home game during that time.
Hopefully whenever I start playing again, which could be months because I don't really miss poker right now, I'll play better.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:03 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I really should take a break.
This is NO exaggeration. I am 0/7 in my last 7 times with AA. 3 of them happened today. VS J2 (which was sorta my fault - i was HU and decided to limp...not a big mistake), VS 9T and VS Q9.
Getting annoying and poker isn't very fun when AA loses every time.
It's break time.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:07 pm GMT by ninetensuited
leaf, buddy, dont you know J2 is the nuts, and 9Ts is the second nuts
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:08 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
It seriously seems like that.
My PT stats are soooo twisted this month. 23% win % with AA? Yuuuck.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:13 pm GMT by ninetensuited
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | It seriously seems like that.
My PT stats are soooo twisted this month. 23% win % with AA? Yuuuck. |
OUCCCHHHHHHHHHHHH, im going to the cable/internet company tomorrow to throw a fit and demand that i get 3 months free for them screwing up for the last 5 days....ok maybe not that harsh, but im going to find out what the problem is. this is starting to realllllllly piss me off, this was supposed to be a weekend of mtts and final tables
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:13 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Yeah seriously, we need you back on IRC.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:14 pm GMT by ninetensuited
lol and why is that, no one else to make fun of?
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:16 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I like the situations we get into while railing lol.
Either deep, profound conversations with some stoned guys, or getting threats regarding our throats and moms.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:17 pm GMT by ninetensuited
yes i love that too, i think my trash talking really gets some people tilted....and then when you start typing in QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ, when i push into Aces w/ QQ.
I think that sort of helps tilt some people as well. We'll be back on it soon. i may be forced to go hang out in a hotel lobby tomorrow night if my internet is not back up
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:18 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Whatever it takes for the noble cause of online poker!
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:20 pm GMT by ninetensuited
yeah no kidding, well im going to go home, ill talk to ya later
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:20 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Later.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:25 pm GMT by MasterShake
I quit for 8 months.
It worked for me.
Posted Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:33 pm GMT by mackkie
May I suggest switching to PL omaha? Worked for me... and I felt exactly how you did, I was seriously thinking about taking a break for sure, put my last $14 in a PL omaha game (of which i have never played online before), and now I am looking at $350 (Not meant to brag, just a suggestion because I saw myself in a similar situation to yours.) I think you are a solid player based on your posts here, and I think you should keep plugging away.
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:20 am GMT by MrDarling
I've been on a bad run for a long time now - been playing a lot of play money recently - just to try and get my A game back together..
Though yesterday I played a point game :
Im in the BB with AKo , Small Stack goes allin - I call , he shows 23o
I flop a K , turn 3 river 2... No big deal , his stack was really small.
Next hand he goes allin again , I call with AJo. He show K9o and guess what - flops a 9...
I was really being a rock in this game ,don't think I played any hand before that (maybe limped with suited connectors or something)
I have $5 in my BR for the last month or so... and haven't touched it yet. I can afford to put more, but really want to improve my game and get out of that slump before I do. So I play a lot of freerolls I make it ITM every time I play PL Omaha - the reward is entry to $1 S&G , which I got 2nd once and 3rd (first paid)
Been trying to decide if I should play Ring games or S&G... I guess ring is the best option.
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:39 am GMT by UrAteUp
I am going to catch hell for this most likely but I said it once and I will keep pounding it into peoples heads. Yes bad runs happen. I long running bad run usually is more of a sign of a change in playing style as opposed to a true bad run. Leafs, and anyone else having a bad run, look over past hand histories and analize them. See if there were signs that show you that your lessened your starting hand requirements. Make sure your playing position wisely. These are all little things that can cause a bad run and thus a losing streak or extend one that should have been short lived. See if your playing style has changed or if your just being hit by donkey players who caught miracle flops or miracle outs.
Honestly when I am having a bad luck run I tighten up and play an even stronger TAG style then before.
There should almost be a punishment for slow playing AA. Leafs write 200 times " I will listen to UAU and never slow play AA again even when it feels right."... 
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:21 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
This, ironically, was the first time I ever limped with AA in an online game.
I'm not really going to get scared away from it just from this one experience.
a) my opponent was agressive (and pushing most hands)
b) the blinds are big
c) we're heads up! If he hits bottom pair he'll think he's good and push.
Limping with AA while HU is an awesome play unless you raise every single other hand.
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:54 pm GMT by ninetensuited
note to self: never limp w/ AA heads up since i raise almost every other hand
Posted Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:04 pm GMT by khaosanroad
late July through all of August was horrible for me. I read the new Sklansky book and took a couple weeks off from playing, and I've been doing well the last few days.
Posted Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:30 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| UrAteUp wrote: | | I am going to catch hell for this most likely but I said it once and I will keep pounding it into peoples heads. Yes bad runs happen. I long running bad run usually is more of a sign of a change in playing style as opposed to a true bad run. |
I have to disagree with you partially on this statement. I think bad runs just happen. However, I do think that they continue because, due to the run you're having, you begin to play more tentatively or tilt or lose confidence when your instincts tell you that you have the best a hand. There's not much more disheartening for a poker player than having your hands drawn out on by 2-4 outers for days/weeks/months at a time. You begin to think that maybe you're better off playing your big hands more passively to "stop the blood flow" somewhat. I've had runs like this for 6 months or more at a time, and it's frustrating and completely inhibits my style of play. It's really tough to play TAG poker when you don't bet with the best hand due to fear based on past experiences.
I don't really have a solution or I'd not have gone that long in those streaks. I find now, that some days just aren't my day and I try to recognize them before I lose a good portion of my bankroll. I find something else to fill the time. There's always plenty that needs to be done but just isn't as much fun.
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