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Posted Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:26 pm GMT by out_at_sea
Can you explain thsoe to me please?
How would one steal blinds? How do you "slow play? Is just calling bets?
Trying to get familiarized with all the jargon.....
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Posted Sat Apr 10, 2004 4:25 pm GMT by mindgame
Well, you need to get a book, first of all, because almost any good beginner book has a section in the back for expressions like these.
Stealing blinds: This refers to raising when you are one of the last players to act (on the button or just off the button) on the first betting round. In other words, the blinds are in there, everyone folds and it's your turn to act. You have no hand, but you feel that both the big and small blinds are very tight players and won't call a raise. So you raise hoping not to be called...hoping they just happen to have average cards or worse and will toss in their hands.
In a no limit game you can put out a sizable bet and usually get a lot of players to fold outright. In limit poker it's a little harder because you can't put that much pressure on with a raise that's only as large as the big blind. However, I play a lot of limit poker and there are times in which the table gets so squeaky tight you can steal the blinds even when you are 3 or four seats off the button. That is, three or four people will decline to call your raise cold and the blinds, with no extra call in there, will just dump and run.
Now there are some times when you'd just as soon NOT steal the blinds...when you want to take a flop and play those two cards you were dealt. In games like that squeaky tight one I just described, if I were dealt AK suited and I knew that raising before the flop would chase everybody out of the pot I might choose to slowplay that hand. That is, even though it's a raising hand, I'll just call with it, hoping my extra money in the pot will lure in some extra callers...maybe even tempt someone to try that raise I didn't take!
Posted Sat Apr 10, 2004 4:26 pm GMT by ballbp
Stealing the blinds is simply when it's down to a small amount of players and you are one of the last to act you make a bet, usually somewhat strong, to make the guys with money already in fold their marginal hands. Slow playing is say you have pocket aces and the flop comes with an ace. You know you pretty much have the best hand at that point but you want to get more money in the pot so you just check when it comes to you, or call if there was a bet in front of you. You have to watch out slow playing though because sometimes giving the others free cards can get you outdrawn.
Edit:Someone typing at the same time I was again. Oh well, at least we agree. 
Posted Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:01 pm GMT by out_at_sea
Where I play stealing blinds make no sense as the blinds are being colected by the dealer for the house benefit, thus no steal blinds!!!!
How does the house make money at different clubs? Do htey take some percentage from the pot?
At my local poker room the house usually takes the blinds.....
Posted Sat Apr 10, 2004 8:16 pm GMT by Icecold99
for online poker the house usallly take a very small % of the pot
like 5 cent outta a $1 pot
Posted Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:25 pm GMT by humbleman
Maybe I just haven't got around enough, but I've never heard of the house taking the blinds outright, the rake is robbery enough, but the both of the blinds in total??? I'd go somewhere else if I could, but as I say, maybe I just haven't been around enough :D :D
Posted Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:30 pm GMT by ballbp
No humbleman, you're not "green" on thinking that. I have never heard of the house taking the blinds out-right either. Taking a rake, especially 10% is bad enough but the guy rakes the blinds too??? He better at least serve up a nice steak dinner and provide all the beer anyone can drink and still drive your ass home for that.
Posted Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:47 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
| out_at_sea wrote: | Where I play stealing blinds make no sense as the blinds are being colected by the dealer for the house benefit, thus no steal blinds!!!!
How does the house make money at different clubs? Do htey take some percentage from the pot?
At my local poker room the house usually takes the blinds..... |
That's B.S. man. Your game is doing it different from 90% of the world.
Posted Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:23 am GMT by alphakenny1
look buddy stop asking these common poker knowledge questions and go get a book. its the best way to learn.
Posted Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:11 am GMT by out_at_sea
| alphakenny1 wrote: | | look buddy stop asking these common poker knowledge questions and go get a book. its the best way to learn. |
Listen buddy,
This is a beginner forum, thus I ask questions. If you dont have anything to say related to my original query take a hike.
Posted Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:36 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
| alphakenny1 wrote: | | look buddy stop asking these common poker knowledge questions and go get a book. its the best way to learn. |
wow what an a**
must be that time of the month
Posted Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:59 pm GMT by out_at_sea
just for the record:
I played again at my local poker room and the house racks the blinds all the time as opposed to getting a percentage from the pot!
I guess every place has its own rules!!!!
Posted Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:03 pm GMT by mindgame
My God that's a HUGE rake!
At my 10/20 game that would be taking $15 out of every hand, as opposed to the $5 they currently take. Even if the house only took the small blind, that would be about the rake I'm currently paying.
But it's really worse than that, because Harrah's takes 10% up to $5. If there isn't any action after the flop the pot might not even get to $50. (Which is one reason a lot of players have left Harrah's and gone to Trump--about 500yds away--Trump takes only 5% up to that same $5 limit. On small pots that makes a huge difference.)
The other big thing is that if no one calls at all, so that the big and small blinds are the only two live players, they can elect not to take the flop--it's called "chopping." In this case they can take back their blinds without penalty and the button moves. In many tight games there can be as many as two or three "chops" per round--and it's in those tight games that every nickle adds up. The advantage, of course, is that the house takes NO rake on "chopped" hands.
In the long run you will find it difficult to win consistently in a game with a rake so completely out of line as that poker room's.
Posted Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:02 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Oh, the tension in this thread! 
| Quote: | | He better at least serve up a nice steak dinner and provide all the beer anyone can drink and still drive your ass home for that. |
He should put you up in a suite with a Jacuzzi and a butler. Hell, even a hooker...er....relaxation therapist for that kind of rape....oops....I think I meant rake (Freudian slip?). I'd highly suggest you find another poker room. You'll not make much profit there. You'll never beat the rake.
Hmmm, I think I may open my own poker room now and rake the blinds...yeah, maybe antes too. 
Posted Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:23 pm GMT by mindgame
Who but the BeerWench could get away with that post?
Posted Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:45 am GMT by golddog
To get back to the original post, don't think that stealing blinds only comes from late position. Especially in NL, a large raise from early position can scare away decent, but not great, hands. ("Wow, they bet that much early, they must have rockets").
Of course, there's significantly more risk that someone behind you has a great hand...
So, stealing blinds essentially boils down to overplaying your hand in an effort to chase out the rest of the players and collect the blinds.
Posted Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:47 am GMT by Dave B
You have to pretend that you dont see their cup and that stupid sign, knock them over, spill their change, "Offer" to help, then keep most for yourself.
Oh wait-that is how to steal FROM the blind.
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